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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby ajax727 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:33 pm

anita wrote:
PatrioticStabilist wrote:I think the far right wing repubs are more likely to get rid of trump then anyone else. Even they
are starting to make statements wondering about him. At first I thought he might be ok, now I'm
really starting to wonder about the guy. He surely can't be as ignorant of the govt as he is acting.
My husband thinks he ran as a lark, and now he is in it, he knows he can't handle it and is trying
to get out, I don't believe that. But he is really coming out of late with some weird stuff that
everyone is scrambling and trying to fix.

Who knows.


The media plays up every stupid thing trump says or does, and ignores everything that hillary and obama does. It's unbelievable. What about paying for political prisoners? What about Benghazi? What about the email scandal (and the DNC email scandal?) Why has no one asked hillary what she sacrificed? or obama?

None of the left's issues--either an individual's or the entire group's--gets any play. Instead it's an endless loop of trump saying something moronic.

I'm no trump fan, never was, never will be, (yes, I'm holding my nose and voting for him) but the media is so corrupt. They have really let this country down.

During her speech she openly said she was going to tax the middle class and the sheep cheered heck even Buffet was a clapping . But it want be reported and if it is they will just say she missed spoke , no news there .
Also when asked a question that she can't tell the truth about she talks about something else or someone else said or done .
The media task is to twist the news around to benefit the Dems , But it puts Trump in the lime light and they can't afford to have her in the light because of her past corrupt acts and actions .
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby anita » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:20 pm

Ajax, I think we could come up with examples all day long of how the media glosses over the hillary problems and focuses on trump and the repubs. It's absurd.
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby ajax727 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:50 pm

I think it all boils down to the people of power are scared as heck of Trump . The money and power people who rule the USA who are for the corruption because they get to line the pockets and are afraid the gravy train will wreck . Even the republicans who are life long elected chair sitters are trembling . They understand that they are just as corrupt as the dems .
Trump want take there money he want buddy up to them just to get there support . He speaks his mind and yes at time he sticks his foot in his mouth but he is saying what most Americans are saying both repubs and a few dems about how corrupt our nation has become how the rich and powerful are above the law . I will stop here because if I don't it will turn into a rant on her corruption and her lies .
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby daaswampman » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:14 pm

There could be a huge November Surprise! We live in a PC world, but what happens in the voting booth is another issue. Many people have had their fill of liberal accept anything. Most don't say much, but it can come out in other ways, which is far more damaging in the long run. I would venture more people will vote against Hillary than any pole indicates. Swamp
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby rebnavy1862 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:36 pm

I hope you are right, Swamp. It is the only hope for our country, and the world.
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby anita » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:04 pm

I'm pulling the lever, so to speak, for trump, but only because he seems the lesser of two evils this time. (hillary is beyond a shadow of a doubt evil. trump, in all likelihood, will be bad, but there is a chance he could work out. And maybe we'll get better Supreme Court justices out of him.

But, I think Conservatives are going to have to rise up, start a new party, or something. It's clear, especially after the shenanigans at the recent RNC convention, that the party who-ha's are out to consolidate their power. They want no part of conservatism, the Constitution, or grass roots, etc.
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby PatrioticStabilist » Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:05 pm

Better be careful, the repubs are already talking reducing SS, that would effect disabled, elderly, and widows
with children, that's the stuff that worries me. That's not an entitlement it was earned.
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby anita » Fri Aug 05, 2016 6:52 am

PatrioticStabilist wrote:Better be careful, the repubs are already talking reducing SS, that would effect disabled, elderly, and widows
with children, that's the stuff that worries me. That's not an entitlement it was earned.


Where do you hear this stuff? There was talk (by Chris Christie--last time I checked he wasn't the nominee,) about means-testing Social Security. That wouldn't touch the disabled, elderly, and widows with children, unless they had a fair amount of money.

You are just fear-mongering by believing the BS you are fed by the leftists and left-wing media.

Having said that, Social Security is running out of money and changes will need to be made or no one will be getting it (that will likely include the disabled, elderly, and widows with children.) It is unsustainable, and it is unsustainable no matter whether republicans or democrats are running the show. Neither seems willing to do anything to upset the voting block, so I guess we are waiting for collapse.

By the way, as a widow, I can tell you that Social Security gave me a one-time payment of $255 when my husband died. (I did not forget any zeroes.) I, for one, think they would be better off just eliminating the fee and all the paperwork that goes along with it, but that's just me.

Yes, I can receive my husband's social security at some point, but I don't currently, since it will diminish what I receive. I also can't work, (or they don't make it worth my while to work) because for every two dollars I make, I would have to pay back $1 to reimburse what they give me for my son until he turns 18, once I make more than $17,500 a year. (Yes, I can't even make above the poverty line before they start punishing me for having a job.)

Government entitlements do nothing but discourage people from working and staying impoverished. Fortunately for me I am not impoverished. We also worked very hard for what we have and I can survive on our savings. And every day that goes by I appreciate how hard my husband worked for many years so that I am in the relatively comfortable situation I'm currently in, because heaven knows your "government safety-net" isn't helping much.
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby Gunns » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:42 am

There should be NO social security. Cut everyone a check for the amount they contributed plus 10% then shut it down.

When was it that gov was supposed to provide charity? I don't see it anywhere in the Constitution.
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby oldasrocks » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:45 am

Gunns wrote:There should be NO social security. Cut everyone a check for the amount they contributed plus 10% then shut it down.

When was it that gov was supposed to provide charity? I don't see it anywhere in the Constitution.


With what money? It was a Ponzi scheme from the beginning. The money has been long spent. Payments are made from incoming money. Less workers equals less SS money to spread around.
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby leangenes » Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:30 am

oldasrocks wrote:
Gunns wrote:There should be NO social security. Cut everyone a check for the amount they contributed plus 10% then shut it down.<BR abp="797"><BR abp="798">When was it that gov was supposed to provide charity? I don't see it anywhere in the Constitution.
<BR abp="799"><BR abp="800">With what money? It was a Ponzi scheme from the beginning. The money has been long spent. Payments are made from incoming money. Less workers equals less SS money to spread around.


EXACTLY!

Socialist Security was a scam from the beginning.

Give the gov your money now, and they'll use some of it to help people who can't help themselves now, and later, when you can no longer help yourself, they'll take some money from other people to help you.

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

But since you bought into that one, how about we set up some healthcare for poor people, and maybe we should use your money to buy surplus food from farmers, and then hand it out to people who say they can't afford to buy it, and hey, I know, let's subsidize solar panel manufacturers overseas by giving people tax breaks over here if they buy solar panels for their houses, and how about this one, our farmers are really good at growing GMO corn, but we can't sell it all, so lets make high fructose corn syrup out of it, but sugar from Brazil is much cheaper, so let's just put a tariff on foreign sugar cane products, and then our mega farms can sell all the GMO corn to the high fructose corn syrup chemical processors that they want, YAY :happybday: , everybody wins, except the taxpaying consumers.

Give a government a penny and they'll give their cronies a billion dollars.

And they always disguise their thieving programs by giving them noble, helpful, and patriotic sounding names, like Social Security, or Medicare, or Medicaid, or Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, but all of them are designed to take a LOT of money from the average Joes and Janes, and give just a teensy little bit to the needy, all while funneling the bulk of the money to large for-profit companies in the form of administrative fees, or consulting fees, or by actually buying goods or services from the private companies at inflated (and often non-negotiable) prices.

EVERY government program is making some private contractor wealthy by transferring tax dollars from taxpayers to the contractor, and we taxpayers have no real say in how our dollars get spent.
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby anita » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:43 pm

Gunns wrote:There should be NO social security. Cut everyone a check for the amount they contributed plus 10% then shut it down.

When was it that gov was supposed to provide charity? I don't see it anywhere in the Constitution.


Plus 10%? I'd be relieved if I just received what we put in over the last 35-40 years, with no interest at all. It's a Ponzi Scheme, with our kids (if we're lucky it won't be us) probably being the suckers who will be left holding the bag.
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby daaswampman » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:28 pm

Gunns wrote:There should be NO social security. Cut everyone a check for the amount they contributed plus 10% then shut it down.

When was it that gov was supposed to provide charity? I don't see it anywhere in the Constitution.


+++ I agree completely and I get Social Security! I paid in for over forty years, but it is still just another welfare system! I would gladly give up mine, just to get all the slugs off that never contributed. The real damage is the message it sends, nanny government will keep care of you as long as you behave. They already have most Americans by the short hairs and they ain't going to do anything until the checks stop! The only way to kill this beast is to starve it to death! Read Atlas Shrugged! Swamp
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby PatrioticStabilist » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:22 pm

Most people would never save the money and now there is little return if you did.

Figure up how much you would have to save to get what you get in your check, its the best thing you
have going, no variances for money making or losing profits and no temptation to spend it, its there
every month.

There would be people starving to death without it, that is why Roosevelt started it, to give a basic
amount to help.
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Re: Possible Nation Disaster Nearing?

Postby mom2grandma » Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:08 pm

I too am a widow and got the 255 when my husband passed away. because both of us collected SS and I retired after him and got a little more than he did I got to keep my SS and got none of my husbands. we did have a little savings but with insurances, normal living expenses, and taxes it will not last too long. must make some hard decisions as to what I will do sometime in the near future. I look around and read the paper and are aware of people who have never worked and they are getting way more then I do. sometimes I am not as thankful as I should be
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