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How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby ReadyMom » Mon May 29, 2017 11:39 am

How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?
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(TNS) - How would Long Island be evacuated in an emergency?

The short answer: There is no formal plan. Officials have ideas and tactics that work on a smaller scale, but it is logistically complicated.

The long answer: Between traffic on the Long Island Expressway, bridge construction and signal troubles on the Long Island Rail Road, there’s no shortage of headache-inducing obstacles in trying to get off the Island.

But what if there were an emergency requiring evacuation?

As it turns out, evacuation tactics are pretty standard no matter where you are, said Craig Craft, commissioner of Nassau County’s Office of Emergency Management. And the tactics deployed are going to depend on the emergency.

“We’d have to pull the plug and make that decision days in advance,” he said.

Contraflow, the practice of shifting highways so all lanes move in the same direction would be a good option for an event such as superstorm Sandy, he said.

Another option, though not very efficient, would be to use ferries to move people across the Long Island Sound.

But even a storm like Sandy wasn’t enough to require evacuating the whole Island.

“What would be a reason that we would consider an evacuation of that magnitude? Maybe a Category 5 hurricane?” Craft said. “I could see us moving people to the center of the Island and taking over a lot of areas in the center as shelters.”

In the event of a terror attack or catastrophe that affects power or air quality, Craft said, officials would tell the public to shelter in place.

Part of the difficulty in coming up with a comprehensive evacuation plan is dealing with the size of the local population, officials said.

Long Island boasts about 3 million residentsacross Nassau and Suffolk counties, according to U.S. Census records. However, any event that requires an evacuation of Long Island would also likely affect New York City and its dense boroughs, which 8.5 million people call home.

So to move more than 11 million people, it would have to be a true emergency with lots of coordination, Craft said, and that definition is hard to pin down.

Fears about a lack of an evacuation plan helped doom the roughly $6 billion Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant, which was officially decommissioned in 1994 after two decades of controversy over its safety.

In 1983, the Suffolk County Legislature determined the county could not safely and effectively evacuate its residents in the event of a nuclear disaster, marking the project’s decline.

Of course, people can always choose to self-evacuate. For some, a transportation breakdown could be enough to leave, said Chris Dowhie, owner of Plan B Marine. Plan B allows wealthy clients in Manhattan to purchase a very specific type of insurance policy — access to quick, safe water transport to the mainland.

Clients pay as much as $750 a month per person to have a private escape boat available. Plan B staff have trained clients on how to use the twin-engine, military-grade boats for the three-minute ride to New Jersey from Manhattan’s West Side and Dowhie said clients include diplomats, investment advisers and college students with concerned parents.

“Mass transit, power failure, any kind of event that’s going to delay you more than three, four hours from your commute,” Dowhie said. “It doesn’t have to be a 911 scenario or zombie apocalypse, it could be a generic inconvenience.”

The bottom line is that while you may want to leave Manhattan or Long Island, there’s little chance everyone will be asked to.

“There’s a lot of options out there, but the likelihood of doing an island evacuation is very slim,” Craft said.
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby rebnavy1862 » Mon May 29, 2017 1:35 pm

It will be evacuated just like Southeastern Virginia (Norfolk and Virginia Beach), NOT AT ALL.

A million and a half vehicles will attempt to exit via two bridge/ tunnels. They will form parking lots twenty miles long and four lanes wide, nobody going anywhere. I used to live near the Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel. On any average day it turned into a parking lot three, sometimes four times a day. It has gotten worse since I left there eight years ago.
It is a death trap, with nothing entering or leaving. Stores and most residents have only a few days of food. There will be no water, unless you like saltwater.

So glad I left there. Don't miss it at all.

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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby oldasrocks » Mon May 29, 2017 4:36 pm

I've often wondered how highways can become parking lots for hours in an emergency. Stalled vehicles? Wrecks? Don't they just push them out of the way?

For a nightmare imagine if californicate had to be evacuated.
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby rebnavy1862 » Mon May 29, 2017 5:40 pm

oldasrocks wrote:I've often wondered how highways can become parking lots for hours in an emergency. Stalled vehicles? Wrecks? Don't they just push them out of the way?

For a nightmare imagine if californicate had to be evacuated.

Rocks, there is no place to push vehicles out of the way on bridges and in tunnels. Normally the right shoulder would remain clear for emergency vehicles and tow trucks. That will not happen in an emergency. There is no way to get out of Southeastern Virginia without crossing a bridge or going through a tunnel.
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby anita » Mon May 29, 2017 6:00 pm

I thought of you when I read this, Reb.

This is one reason I don't care to vacation on barrier islands (like in NC or NJ.) Tough getting out of there if you have to.
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby Illini Warrior » Mon May 29, 2017 6:13 pm

you know that pre-paid evac boat escape plan - good luck - if you think your $750/month ticket gets honored when some NYC stockbroker has a roll of $1,000 bills wrapped inside a $10,000 Rolex watch - I've got the pink slip on the Brooklyn Bridge and can hook you up ....
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby roger o » Tue May 30, 2017 7:36 am

One of the main reasons we moved off "the Island" 5 years ago was because of this very scenario.

Bottom line, if TSHTF and there is a need to evacuate Long Island, it ain't gonna happen period.

The only possible exception would be those who live on the water, but even then where are going to go, and what do they do when they land on the other shore? Also bear in mind that most boats have a VERY limited range. A range that might not clear them of the danger at hand.

The other possible exit is for those who have private planes at the few airports on the Island, have accessibility to the airport roads, and the weapons on hand to prevent others from hijacking their plane.

Not a pretty scene at best, and that's for the privileged few. For the remaining millions, good luck...
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby oldasrocks » Tue May 30, 2017 9:40 pm

I think it would be better to have an oversized safe room if you lived on the island. Good hidey hole, well stocked with everything inc oxygen bottles. Pretty hard to build without everyone knowing about it though.
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby apache235 » Wed May 31, 2017 8:54 am

The easiest way to evacuate would be leave a little early, like- now. Git while the getting is good and never look back. Most won't and will get away with that - until the SHTF. I wouldn't live there on a bet, but that's just me.
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby ajax727 » Wed May 31, 2017 9:14 am

If things go bad all they can do is bend over and kiss there ace good by .
No way out if the roads are closed and the boats will go to the fellow with a fist full of money or they want even try to pick them up , if they die no refund .
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby Gunns » Wed May 31, 2017 12:13 pm

Buy a weather balloon and lots of helium. Go to your roof, fill balloon, strap it on and go.
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby rebnavy1862 » Wed May 31, 2017 1:36 pm

Gunns wrote:Buy a weather balloon and lots of helium. Go to your roof, fill balloon, strap it on and go.

Prevailing winds are northwesterly. It is a long haul to Africa, with a lot of wet terrain in between :shock:
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby Gunns » Wed May 31, 2017 8:56 pm

rebnavy1862 wrote:
Gunns wrote:Buy a weather balloon and lots of helium. Go to your roof, fill balloon, strap it on and go.

Prevailing winds are northwesterly. It is a long haul to Africa, with a lot of wet terrain in between :shock:
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby Punisher1336 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:33 pm

Shelter in place with your pre stocked supplies or die.
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Re: How Would Long Island be Evacuated in an Emergency?

Postby rebnavy1862 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:10 pm

Punisher1336 wrote:Shelter in place with your pre stocked supplies or die.

And wait for 8 million NYCers to come knocking on your door? My experience with NYCers has taught me that they are warm, friendly, cordial people who are eager to share.
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