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Postby BennyMG » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:51 am

Being fairly new to this, I have been trying read everything I can get my hands on. I have run across a couple of things that have made me think a little about bartering. I read somewhere that some people are buying gold with the presumption that it could be used as currency in the event of megainflation or the dollar going to zero value. I would think that, in the event of economic devastation that gold would hold no more actual value than a bill. You can't eat it or defend your property with it. Is it really a good idea to invest in gold?

I read somewhere else that a supply of luxury items may be good for bartering provided you have the appropriate storage. Some suggestions that were given were cigarettes, whiskey, coffee and extra staple supplies. The extra staple supplies I can understand, however, are cigarettes and whiskey going to be on people's priority lists in the event of a survival situation? I would like to know if some of the more experienced preppers keep such items. If so, should I buy a few packs and package them in mylar with O2 absorbers for future bartering? I had already planned on having a couple of bottles of brandy and one bottle of gin on hand to be used for medicinal purposes (no one in the family drinks alcohol so this would be the only reason to keep it). Should I be aware of a particular shelf life? Rotating stocks would not really be an option unless I just throw out the unused stock and replace it with new.

Are there any other easily storable items that might be used for bartering. I also read where fuel will be a good bartering tool, but I can't possibly see me wanting to barter away an already limited fuel supply.
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Re: Bartering items

Postby ReadyMom » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:15 am

Here's some discussion from the EHP site: (from another forum)
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Re: Bartering items

Postby TheLight » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:36 am

There's a thread around here on silver and gold, you should check it out: here

Cigarettes will probably be in high demand for the first few weeks of any SHTF scenario because of their addictive qualities. However, once a steady or even semi-steady supply disappears, folks will be forced to go through withdrawal/quit. I don't think Cigarettes are good to store unless you smoke yourself simply because they will go stale after a year at the most. Whiskey and the like will probably be a great item for trade in long term. It'll probably do pretty well in the short term too with folks that don't know how to prioritize. Liquor in general would be a good thing to store since, once it's bottled and sealed, it doesn't loose quality much for years.

Barter items that you could store might include:
  • Food
  • Water
  • Clothing
  • Shoes
  • Camping Gear
  • Lighters
  • Knives
  • Bullets
  • Booze
The list goes on, but you get the idea. Things break or get used up. Store to replace those.
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Re: Bartering items

Postby alanz » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:42 am

It depends on how bad things get. If the U.S. descends into utter chaos, then gold and silver aren't going to do you much good. If things get really bad but there's still a basic functioning economy (less then 50% unemployment) then you'll still be able to get cash for your gold and keep your savings from being wiped out by inflation. I'm keeping a few PM's, but not many. As for tobacco and alcohol, the same rule applies. If things get really really awful, people will be more interested in finding food to eat than getting drunk. I'm stocking up on anything small that people use on a daily basis: matches, salt, knives, TP, shoe laces, bar soap, yeast packets, etc.
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Re: Bartering items

Postby MrDanB » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:46 am

Benny,
I have been collecting precious metals for a long time. I have not been prepping as long as I have been collecting metals. My advice is that you are absolutely correct, you can't eat it. Like anything else, we know it has value only because we are conditioned to think that it has value. If you are new to prepping, I would nail down as much of your items as you can, THEN start thinking about metals. I would not look into gold, I would concentrate on pre 1965 silver coins (dimes-dollars) They have 90% silver in them. I like the Morgan silver dollars. Even if you bought 10k in gold right now and it DID go way up. You still have to find a buyer to sell your gold to and you may not have enough food and supplies to sustain you...
Silver on the other hand is way undervalued and set to go up. Demand is far outweighing supply right now and people are starting to stock up on it. It might not be a bad idea to get a handful of silver coins/buillion now to ADD to your preps :)
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Re: Bartering items

Postby Hunter » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:52 am

I think you are right and yes there will be large amounts of addicted folks out there that would do anything to get such supplies. But remember that for every item you stock that other know of or find out about makes you a bigger target. If you are rummored to be the place to get such items then you also need to have the ability to defend such items. I think its best to fly under the radar and if you have such preps to keep them low key and save for only life threatening situations.

While I may or may not stock such items I will not be openly displaying any items as available for barter. I have no desire to be a store for others in such an event. Even if my sister was living with me and wanted a smoke in the worst way she would not know I had any even if I traded a truck full to save her life.
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Re: Bartering items

Postby Vina8 » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:59 am

We typically don't stock stuff that we might not have use for ourselves if the worst happens. For example, we don't smoke so we do not stockpile cigarettes. I imagine they would be very valuable to people who smoke, but they are expensive and only about 25% of the population smokes now. If someone wishes to store them, I would recommend storing bulk tobacco and cigarette papers.

IMO, alcohol will always have value. Every culture has figured out a way to make spirits. Alcohol products have a very long shelf life if stored correctly. In addition to typical hard liquor, you may also want to consider storing 190 proof Ethanol Alcohol which can be bought at a liquor store. It is useful for medicinal purposes and can be added to a variety of substances to create herbal tinctures, antiseptics, as well as diluting it for drinking. It is also something you can make yourself with some basic distilling equipment.

Depending on where you are, seasoned firewood could become very scarce. Toilet paper, feminine hygiene products, baby formula, vitamins, non-hybrid seeds, portable (camping) toilets, batteries, water filters/treatment supplies, generators, any food item, cooking stove, cast iron pots and pans, hand tools, garden tools, socks, work gloves, common ammunition, canning supplies, garbage bags, lanterns, clothespins and line, medical supplies, etc. There are a lot of lists including the one ReadyMom posted that can give you more ideas. I believe having some silver coins are a good idea for when trade starts back up again, but your first priority should be getting your own needs taken care of first.
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Re: Bartering items

Postby TheLight » Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:22 am

Lets keep the Precious Metals discussions in the silver thread for now and keep this thread as other barter-able items, to keep things better organized. :)
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Re: Bartering items

Postby Jerry D Young » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:36 am

My thoughts and opinions on barter and trade

Never show more than necessary for a given trade. Never let on like you have more.
Only trade alcohol, weapons, and ammunition to those you know will not be a problem for you later.
Try to barter skills and knowledge rather than goods. They don’t run out.
Try to barter the information in books. Don’t let the books leave your control.
Try to barter the use of tools and equipment rather than trading them away.
Try to make trades in neutral areas or at a designated barter/trade meeting. Make sure you aren’t followed back home.
Not all the items/skills listed will be of much value early into the event. It could be three to five years or more for some of the items to become valuable.
Try to have most of your equipment and several months of consumables before you stockpile trade goods, including Precious Metals.
When it comes to PMs, unless you are wealthy, start slow. A few silver dimes & quarters at a time. When you feel it is time to get gold coins, stay with the small denominations. And remember that there will be some people that won’t trust or want them.

Some of what I'm acquiring for barter (No, I don’t have all of these items. Yet.)

Scales to get agreed upon weights of items
commercial scale (±500#)
commercial scale (±100#)
commercial scale (±10#)
commercial scale (±16oz)

small containers for measured out items (spices, meds, etc.)(really small zip-locks)

1.0 oz gold coins
0.1 oz gold coins
40 count rolls pre-1965 silver quarters
50 count rolls pre-1965 silver dimes
blank barter slips (pre-printed slips to record barter transaction – who, what, when, how much, etc.)

A large library of useful books (remember, trade the information, not the book)

200ml bottles 190 proof Everclear
smokeless tobacco
2 oz boxes tobacco
booklets cigarette papers
smoking pipes
small boxes matches
butane lighter fuel
Zippo lighter fuel
lighter flints
lighter wicks
disposable lighters
straight razors w/strop, soap, & cup
shaving soap
Q-tips

playing cards
dice

candle/oil lamp wick
Coleman lantern mantles
Crank flashlights

2 oz jars instant coffee
16 count boxes teabags
2 oz jars bouillon cubes
tubs add-water-only drink mix

1 pound boxes sugar
various spices
small containers of cooking oil
2 oz boxes salt
2 oz cans pepper
5 oz cans milk
4 oz cans cocoa
2 oz bars chocolate candy
8 oz bags hard candy (individually wrapped)

4 oz cans Vienna sausage/potted meat
12 oz cans roast beef
7 oz cans Spam (or 12oz)(or Treet)
6 oz cans tuna
10 oz cans soup (heavy on the meat types)

16 oz bags rice
16 oz bags beans/lentils

aspirin pain killer
acetaminophen pain killer
multi-vitamin
OTC reading glasses
OTC UVA/UVB resistant sunglasses
Cheap wide-brimmed straw hats

small boxes tampons/sanitary napkins
reusable sanitary napkins

reusable cotton diapers
diaper pins
plastic/poly/nylon/rubber diaper cover pants

clothes pins

wooden pencils/ink pens
small note books
legal pads

50 count bottles water purification tablets

6”-12” candles
boxes strike anywhere kitchen matches

rolls toilet paper
bars soap (Ivory, Lava, Fels Naptha laundry soap)
hair combs/brushes
disposable razors
toothbrushes
boxes baking soda
shoe and boot laces

packets safety pins
packets of sewing needles
spools of thread

mousetraps
rat traps
fly swatters

jersey gloves
cotton/leather work gloves
insulated gloves
socks

tubes silicone sealant
tubes Shoe Goo/Goop
tubes JB Weld
duct tape
mechanic’s wire
electrical tape
friction tape
rubber tape
sheet plastic
divided buckets with a variety of nails, screws, bolts, nuts, and washers
sealed cans of welding rods (6011 and/or 7018 1/8”)
variety of brazing rods
cans of brazing flux

regular canning lids
wide mouth canning lids
Tattler reusable canning lids
Tattler reusable canning lid rubber rings
P-38/P-51 can openers

1-lb propane cylinders
10-lb bags charcoal briquettes

solar 12-volt battery chargers
solar AAA, AA, C, D, 9-volt battery charger
rechargeable batteries 20 each AAA, AA, C, D, 9-volt


#10 cans heirloom seeds
Coffee plant seed
Tobacco plant seed
Tea plant seed
Poppy plant seed

Biodiesel production chemicals
Soap making chemicals

500-round bricks .22 LR RF cartridges
5-round boxes .410/20 GA shells
single units M6 Scout/Savage 24F/Remington SPR-94 O/U .22 RF/.410 or 20 gauge combos


Here are some examples of Tradesman’s Tools that could be stockpiled and either used and the product/service bartered, or their USE bartered out. One wouldn’t barter away the tools that bring in the food. (Again, I don’t have all the items or skills.)
±500# scale
±100# scale
±10# scale
±16oz scale

Tailor/Seamstress tools
Sewing machine
Serger
Sewing basket (needles, thimbles, thread, measuring tape, seam ripper, scissors, shears, marking chalk, straight edge, pins, neck magnifying glass, etc.)
bolts of cloth, patterns, spare needles, pins, chalk, thread, buttons, zippers, snaps, etc)
Treadle type sewing machine (Janome 712T)
weaving looms
>1,000 watt generator


Food processing tools
Grain grinders, solar dehydrators, butchering tools, manual meat slicer, manual meat grinder, sausage stuffer, stuffing tubes, jerky shooter, meat smoker, water purifier


barbers tools
scissors, combs, hair brushes, dusting brush, broom, dust pan, chair, neck apron, razor, shaving cup, shaving soap, towels

ammunition re-loader’s tools
Dillion progressive tool w/primary caliber dies
RCBS press with common caliber dies
Bullet casting equipment
lead
black powder making tools & screens

laundry tools
Staber washing machine
laundry soap
bleach
clothes lines w/poles, stakes & clothes pins
water heater (kettle w/tripod)
water tank
12v pump & battery
drain line
James washer w/wringer
2+ washtubs
>1,000 watt generator

entertainment tools
band instruments
projection TV
TV projector
Lap-top computer
DVD disk player
VHS tape player
Chairs
Karaoke machine w/cd-g’s
Lighting system
Sound system
>1,500 watt generator
Battery bank, solar panels, and inverter
protective bullet resistant face for TV’s if used
Classic books for storyteller to read

home canning equipment & supplies
firewood cutting tools
knife/edged tool sharpening tools
printer’s/newspaper publisher’s tools
butcher/meat cutter’s tools
meat processors tools (sausage, etc.)
tanner’s tools
milk processors tools (cheese, etc.)
baker’s tools & supplies
bath house/shower room tools
candle maker’s tools & supplies
gardener’s tools
mechanic’s tools
machinist’s tools - Smithy Granite 1340 Industrial Max metalworking all-in-one machine
woodworker’s tools - Shopsmith Mark V woodworking all-in-one machine
blacksmith’s tools - Oxygen accumulator, acetylene generator
plumber’s tools
lumber making tools - portable sawmill
electrician’s tools
carpenter’s tools
roofer’s tools
stonemason’s tools
primitive building tools
cobbler/shoe maker’s tools
soap maker’s tools
brewer/wine maker’s tools
distillery tools
miller’s tools
spinner & weaver’s tools (looms)
teaching tools and supplies K-12
smelter/foundry/metal worker’s tools
sheep sheering tools
papermaking tools
rope, cordage, and net making tools
millwright’s tools
farm tools (prepare, sow, cultivate, harvest)
biodiesel equipment & supplies
wood gas generator equipment & supplies
charcoal making tools
black powder making tools
reference/do-it-yourself library (books/magazines/CD-ROMs/DVDs)(never let the media out of your control)


Here are the skill sets I think most likely to be needed. (I only have a few of them myself)

Alternative energy specialist
Ammunition re-loader
Appliance repairman
Assayer
Baker
Banker
Barber
Basket maker
Bathhouse/shower room operator
Beekeeper
Bicycle Repairman
Biodiesel maker
Blackpowder maker
Blacksmith
Botanist
Brew master
Brick maker
Bullet caster
Butcher/meat processor
Candle maker
Carpenter
Cartridge maker
Cartwright
Chandler
Charcoal burner
Cheese maker
Chemist
Chimney sweep
Cobbler/shoe maker
Coffin maker
Cook
Cooper (barrel maker)
Coppersmith
Dentist
Distiller, drinking alcohol
Distiller, fuel alcohol
Doctor
Dog trainer
Electrician
Electronics tech
Farmer
Farm hand
Farrier
Firewood purveyor
Fisherman
Food canner/processor
Furniture maker
Gardener
Gatherer (wild plants, useful rocks and minerals)
Glass maker
Goatherd
Goldsmith/silversmith
Gravedigger
Gunpowder maker
Gunsmith/gun maker
Handyman
Harvester/picker
Heavy equipment operator
Herbalist/mineralist
Horse trainer/wrangler
Hunter/trapper
Ice purveyor/harvester/maker
Knife maker
Knife sharpener
Knitter/crocheter
Laundress/laundry room operator
Leather worker
Librarian
Logger/forester/sawyer
Lumber maker
Machinist
Mechanic
Metal worker
Metallurgist
Midwife
Milk maid
Milk processor
Miller
Millwright
Miner
Mulcher/composter/manure collector
Net maker
Nurse
Optician (eyeglass maker)
Orchardman/arborist
Paper maker
Peace Officer
Pedi-cab driver
Pest control specialist
Pharmacist
Plumber
Postman
Pottery maker
Primitive building specialist
Printer/newspaperman
Radio Operator
Rancher
Ranch hand
Repairman
Roofer
Rope/cordage maker
Sail maker
Sailor (Boatswain)
Salt maker
Salvage specialist
Security guard
Shake/shingle maker
Sheep sheerer
Shepherd
Shipwright/boat builder
Shoemaker
Skill At Arms instructor
Small engine mechanic
Smelter/foundryman
Soap maker
Soldier
Spice purveyor
Spinner/Weaver
Stonemason/brick layer
Sugar maker
Surveyor
Tailor/seamstress
Tanner
Teacher
Thatcher
Tinker
Tire repairman
Tool & die maker
Trader/Wagoner
Trapper
Truck driver
Undertaker
Veterinarian
Watch/clock repairman/maker
Weaver
Welder
Well driller
Wheelwright
Winemaker
Wood gas equipment maker
Woodworker


A few skills that won’t be in high demand, but would be a good secondary skill

Artist
Bookbinder
Candy maker
Comedian
Dye maker
Entertainer
Historian
Ink maker
Judge/arbitrator
Karaoke operator
Maid
Massage therapist
Musician
Physicist
Scribe
Secretary
Storyteller
Toy & game maker


Some things I probably won’t get for barter for this reason: If there is a large die off the items will be available to pick up all sorts of places. If there isn’t one, they will still be available through normal channels.

Knives, especially ‘Cheap’ knives
Clothing
Tools (Yes, have a really good set for yourself, and possibly one to barter the use of, but keep the tools)
Cooking equipment
Fishing gear
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Re: Bartering items

Postby hildar » Tue May 22, 2012 7:43 am

In fact I remember back about a year ago telling some friends at an alternative news forum, thjat they really need to get a few things straight, They started ivesting in silver and spending all their cash on it rather then preparing with food and supplies. Like I told them If I have food, why would I take silver for it. I can't eat silver. I believe that T. paper will be worth more then the silver will if things go extremly bad, as well as soap and candles, and other things.
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Re: Bartering items

Postby airborne-fatty » Tue May 22, 2012 10:26 am

I'm thinking that marijuana is desirable but curently illegal. I don't suggest keeping ANY amount of the stuff on hand but some seeds for growing a good amount might be a good idea if those aren't illegal to have. Does anyone if it's OK to keep marijuana seeds?
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Re: Bartering items

Postby kr105 » Sat May 26, 2012 12:10 pm

hildar wrote:In fact I remember back about a year ago telling some friends at an alternative news forum, thjat they really need to get a few things straight, They started ivesting in silver and spending all their cash on it rather then preparing with food and supplies. Like I told them If I have food, why would I take silver for it. I can't eat silver. I believe that T. paper will be worth more then the silver will if things go extremly bad, as well as soap and candles, and other things.


Some merchants would probably accept precious metals, however most barter transactions will probably be with an exchange of goods or services. I agree that t. paper will probably achieve "luxury" status if tshtf.
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Re: Bartering items

Postby RoninAmok » Sat May 26, 2012 12:16 pm

Jerry D Young wrote:My thoughts and opinions on barter and trade

Never show more than necessary for a given trade. Never let on like you have more.
Only trade alcohol, weapons, and ammunition to those you know will not be a problem for you later.
Try to barter skills and knowledge rather than goods. They don’t run out.
Try to barter the information in books. Don’t let the books leave your control.
Try to barter the use of tools and equipment rather than trading them away.
Try to make trades in neutral areas or at a designated barter/trade meeting. Make sure you aren’t followed back home.
Not all the items/skills listed will be of much value early into the event. It could be three to spools of thread

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Cooking equipment
Fishing gear





Chopped for brevity.............and plus about a FREAKING BILLION!!!!


This should be printed out and reread , whether one completelt agrees or not , it's quite likely the most commonsense statement on bartering I've ever seen as regards " prepping".


Acquire *skills* , how many folks here can cut , beat and shape a chunk of leaf spring into a servicable knife ( as an example)........
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Re: Bartering items

Postby lallen8029 » Sun May 27, 2012 10:44 am

Every week with sales and coupons there are many items that end up being free. I use couponmom.com, her grocery lists put the sales and coupons you need to use together for you. She always lists the free stuff on top. I've been collecting these for quite a while to use as bartering items. Bandaids, mouthwash, toothbrushes, energy bars, makeup, I've got a ton of it. I have a big bin I throw that stuff into just for that purpose.
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Re: Bartering items

Postby mmpaints » Sun May 27, 2012 11:32 am

Pretty much everybody here already knows what my opinion of trading with gold and silver is, LOL Eh, I would concede that some folks will probably willingly trade for it but I just never was that type of person. dont think it'll change post SHTF.

All the trade items listed here in this thread (awesome list BTW Jerry!) I like and think are worthy. Vices of others are a good way to trade for what you want or need. I grow tobacco, coffee, can create decent wine and have skills to create other things people will be willing to trade for because they are without and can still remember having those things.


Limited disposable cash prevents me from storing up some items I would like to have around for trade plus my own use so I just think about how society is now, where most people spend their money and target those behaviors as my source of income or trade for the future. What do you think somebody would give 6 months into SHTF for a hunk of real cheese or a pat of real butter on some fresh baked bread? A cup of fresh brewed coffee with a hand rolled smoke?

I side with airbourne, post SHTF people who used to live on xanax, prozac etc will prolly trade anything and everything they have for a couple of tokes worth of stress reliever! Look at history (1800s opium dens) for the proof of that.

alanz also made a good point. I think we all can agree that we are sinking into deeper recession witch will lead to harder times for lots of folks. Even without a total collapse of society, it can still get pretty bad for millions of people. Look how many are now homeless/unemployed etc? MSM doesnt say too much about it but if you actually take the time to look, you won't have to look too hard to find them out there. Even tho the majority of homeless are staying in cities where they can be sheltered and fed, they're still there, in bad shape. Being able to establish a market for trade isn't going to take a total collapse or zombie apocalypse to surface. I think we're on the edge of it right now.
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