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Postby HVACR » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:43 am

I have talked to a local person in general about preps. She has never heard of OpSec. She also had some misgivings about talking about her preps to others. She had been a member of a small group and the group broke up due to security concerns. They are thinking about starting up there regular meetings again. Don't know if they are excluding the security concern or not. I didn't have time to talk to her in that much depth. If I were to start attending there meetings. What are some behaviors that should set off red flags? What are the no no questions? I admit I am not a very good judge of people. Any suggestions on how to proceed would be great.
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Re: OpSec

Postby Yeti_2015 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:03 am

Ok you live in Oklahoma, I would use the natural disasters and the idea for being prepared for them as a jump off for conversations. Maybe all the civil unrest in the country. Try not to get to caught up in the racial/political side of this. I would not in any way disclose how much supplies you have, if you have a BOL and a plan to get there keep that to yourself. Any major things other than just maybe a few weeks of supplies, not more than a month. Again being an Okie guns are good, but if you have an AR15, don’t tell them you have 1000 rounds or more. Don’t disclose all the weapons and ammo you have. Be as vague as possible with what you have. Take time just to listen to other talking in the room, don’t make it like you are just eaves dropping, but if someone is talking like he has all the supplies he need to survive for ever, this is someone that will tell everyone else what he has. Also avoid the ones that have more guns and ammo than sense. Listening to people around the room will help you find out who will be people that you might want to get to know better, but also might give you some insight on people to avoid.

To be honest I have wanted to try to get out and meet more preppers, but some of the ones that I have met have been way over the top anti-government. I won’t let them get me into any trouble for their beliefs. Others that live in the cities that find out I live in the middle of know where, want to use my house as their BOL and want to store items here. I won’t be responsible for a bunch of stuff from people that I don’t really know. Or have them bringing other people here that I haven’t even met. I have met a few more, that over time that life just got in the way and they just didn’t have the time anymore. I understand that part, life can pull you into so many directions. I rely mostly on my parents, but they are 3 hours away and are in bad health.

Hope this helps sorry for the long post. Just sharing some of my thoughts and experience.
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Re: OpSec

Postby DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:25 am

Yeti_2015 wrote: Be as vague as possible with what you have. Take time just to listen to other talking in the room, don’t make it like you are just eaves dropping, but if someone is talking like he has all the supplies he need to survive for ever, this is someone that will tell everyone else what he has. Also avoid the ones that have more guns and ammo than sense. Listening to people around the room will help you find out who will be people that you might want to get to know better, but also might give you some insight on people to avoid.




^^^This is really good advice^^^ ....... The whole post actually, but especially the quote above.

I was horrible on OPSEC at my onset and will absolutely have issues if SHTF actually ever happens from my BIG FAT MOUTH trying to get others prepping with me over the years...I can NEVER get it back unless I move with the damage I did.

Nothing feels quite as unnerving as a non-close work associate stating loudly in a office "If the apocalypse ever happens I'm going to your house!!!...ha, ha, ha...." :thumbdown:


So, with past mistakes as my teacher, really good advice above from Yeti...
In honor of RebNavy...RIP buddy. You made me smile. :)

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Driven, are you sure you are from Kalifornia? You make a lot of sense.
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Re: OpSec

Postby Yeti_2015 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:01 am

DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE, thank you. It's hard to find like minded people that you can trust. I hope that my failures will help others.

I had the same issue when at my last job, but I did move on. I'm now about 2 hours away and I have not had any contact with anyone in that office since.
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Re: OpSec

Postby Stahlrosen » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:24 pm

Yes, everything Yeti_2015 said!
Personally I would not let anyone in my house. I worked at a job for 15 years and not one of those people I worked with had ever been to my house. There were only 2 who even knew where I lived and that I would have trusted to let in.
If I were to go to a meeting I would be there "just to learn because I really haven't gotten anything started yet and feel I need to do something".

If you have any skills for prepping (canning, hunting, etc.) I would probably low ball that too and just say something like "I've been thinking about trying some canning".
For me it takes a very long time to build trust in a person. I don't really know why, have just always been wary of people.

All that being said, when you find a good person, I would hang on to them. We have been wanting to do some major upgrades to our house, but haven't because there are not any contractors we feel we can trust. Well we purchased the property below us that had termite damage, and the pest control people sent out a couple contractors to fix it. OMG they were awesome. Polite, conservative, christian, cleaned up, and did an outstanding repair job. Even leveled a door we thought we were going to have to replace. So I got cards from them for friends who are in the same boat we are, with not sure who to trust. I could have walked those guys past a closet full of MRE's and would have been totally comfortable with it, and that is VERY unusual for me. Obviously this isn't the norm, go with your gut feelings and spend lots of time observing the others.
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Re: OpSec

Postby handyman777 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:35 pm

HVACR wrote:I have talked to a local person in general about preps. She has never heard of OpSec. She also had some misgivings about talking about her preps to others. She had been a member of a small group and the group broke up due to security concerns. They are thinking about starting up there regular meetings again. Don't know if they are excluding the security concern or not. I didn't have time to talk to her in that much depth. If I were to start attending there meetings. What are some behaviors that should set off red flags? What are the no no questions? I admit I am not a very good judge of people. Any suggestions on how to proceed would be great.
Thanks. :tank:


I would try to get a little more info from this person, I'm sure she would be the one to introduce you to this group.
If they broke up due to security issues - why ?
Ask what kind of people are in this group - LEO, Doctors, ex-military,families w/kids, etc..? ? ?
Depending on the size of this group, where would your meet-up be, dinner, park, someones home ?
Play dumb but not to dumb, they want you as an asset.
Don't give up to much info, or talk about your preps (guns, gold and food) your there to learn.
Watch when you leave and if any one should follow.
Just some ideas to work with.
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Re: OpSec

Postby daaswampman » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:17 pm

It took many years to develop our little group! Its core is long term friends with shared beliefs! Swamp

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Re: OpSec

Postby ForwardPreppers » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:59 pm

When we first started on our prepping journey in 2011, we started right here on APN. We set up a meeting at a State Park and 3 folks showed up. We were all very guarded. Two of those folks became great friends for a time. We started meeting at a local restaurant, had a campout or two and that went on for a couple years. People came and went. We only had a couple folks out to our house - one who helped with a radio and another couple we hung out with some.
After a few years we stopped having the meetings so we could focus on our BOL that we eventually moved to and established our homestead.

To make a point, you have to be guarded but not so much as you don't learn anything or are off putting to others. We met know it all jerks, we met really nice people, we learned a lot, and most of all, we grew in our prepper journey. You may not stick with the group forever or you may make some forever friends. It's all in what you make it.

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Re: OpSec

Postby davidreynolds » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:57 am

Thanks Stahlrosen for sharing this information with us.
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Re: OpSec

Postby Illini Warrior » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:02 am

HVACR wrote:I have talked to a local person in general about preps. She has never heard of OpSec. She also had some misgivings about talking about her preps to others. She had been a member of a small group and the group broke up due to security concerns. They are thinking about starting up there regular meetings again. Don't know if they are excluding the security concern or not. I didn't have time to talk to her in that much depth. If I were to start attending there meetings. What are some behaviors that should set off red flags? What are the no no questions? I admit I am not a very good judge of people. Any suggestions on how to proceed would be great.
Thanks. :tank:



run - don't walk or even skip from that bunch - that one woman with no idea of keeping prepping secret is more than likely the one that busted up the old group ....

your local OPSEC is more important than almost anything else in prepping - absolutely no good in stockpiling anything when the whole kit & caboodle goes bye bye ... you'll either get mobbed by the neighborhood or the mayor's confiscation posse comes knocking ....
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Re: OpSec

Postby NJMike » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:35 am

The OP was in September. Just curious HVACR, any update on if the group has met up and if so, how did it go?

I've met up with Preppers in organized public, as well as private informal, meetings. There's a huge spectrum of people into prepping/surviving, which I think is a good thing. I feel it does help to socialize with like-minded people, as long as one can keep proper separation from some elements and avoid disclosing too much. I've met lots of good people along the way, and far more givers than takers.

Btw, this forum is an example of a public meeting space too. One thing I try to do is approach my posts with even more OpSec in some areas than I might in person, mainly because anyone can read this. There's no such thing as trust or privacy on the Internet. So while I'm open to talking about first aid, canning, gardening, and similar here, to learn or share, there are other topics I either won't participate in, or I'm going to be a bit more vague in my participation. :ninja:
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Re: OpSec

Postby HVACR » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:31 pm

I have placed an ad in the local penny saver to socialite possible contacts. I have had one person respond in the first week. I plan to contact in person today and set up a face to face meeting.

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Re: OpSec

Postby Illini Warrior » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:19 pm

[quote="HVACR"]I have placed an ad in the local penny saver to socialite possible contacts. I have had one person respond in the first week. I plan to contact in person today and set up a face to face meeting.



take the necessary steps to hide your ID and make sure they can't backtrack you thru your vehicle, clothes, any divulged info ....

there are everyday working crooks that see gold in preppers - watch out for a set-up ....
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