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Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:49 pm
by Illini Warrior
daaswampman wrote:There is a huge unknown - What happens when an ancient disease meets a population saturated with numerous resistant organisms due to their overuse of antibiotics?

Deadly outbreak of black death which has killed 140 in Madagascar may mutate and become UNTREATABLE ... TABLE.html


A strain of plague which has already killed more than 140 Madagascar could mutate and become untreatable, an expert has warned.

There are fears the disease could spread to Europe and America via plane travel as Ebola did in 2014, with ten African nations already put on alert for signs of infection.
Now Professor Paul Hunter has warned that, while it would be easy for an advanced country to contain the disease in its current form, he fears that it could evolve into something far more dangerous.

Hunter, a disease expert at the University of East Anglia, told the Daily Star: 'If it reaches the UK, Europe or the US it would be similar to the Ebola outbreak.
'We would have a few isolated cases but it shouldn’t spread like it has in Madagascar.
'As with any disease, it's a real worry that it mutates and become untreatable.'

not mentioned - more read between the lines - the terrorist purposeful spread of the disease .... no need for a bio lab and any expertise required - no suicide explosive vests just exposed suicide volunteers looking for their virgin rewards in heaven ....

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:55 pm
by kenjabroni
I can see the terrorist organization flying their people in there to try and have them contract the disease and then fly them to all sorts of different airports and just mingle among other people there. They could have people over there drawing blood from the infected victims and use those to infect themselves or others. There are a million different ways for them to try and spread it. If this becomes antibiotic resistant, it will be very very bad. If it gets to London, Paris, New York, Tokyo......all bets are off....better find a hole because thats the only way you are going to stay away from it.

Its kind of crazy that I just recently finished reading a series by Bobby Akart where ISIS got a doctor to mutate the plague to be resistant to meds, and now this is taking hold over in Africa.

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:49 pm
by daaswampman
It would not be the first time plague was used in war!

In 1940, the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force bombed Ningbo with ceramic bombs full of fleas carrying the bubonic plague.

For a brief history go to: ... al_warfare

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:37 am
by Illini Warrior
new posting on the plague - saying 100% chance now that'll spread to the UK .... ... l_11142017

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:49 am
by kenjabroni
Ive been following this very closely. A pandemic is probably long overdue but it still scares the heebie jeebies out of me. I need to amp up my PPE even more.

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:29 am
by ReadyMom
Image Hat Tip to Carol Owens , over at Fluki:

Madagascar: The number of new cases of pneumonic plague has steadily declined since mid-October ... ber-44279/

November 14, 2017

According to UN and Madagascar health officials, from 7 to 10 November 2017, 86 confirmed, probable and suspect cases of plague (73 pneumonic and 9 bubonic) were reported.

While the number of new cases and hospitalizations of patients due to plague is declining in Madagascar, the World Health Organization anticipates additional cases to be reported until the typical plague season ends in April 2018.

From 1 August to 10 November 2017, a cumulative total of 2,119 confirmed, probable and suspected cases of plague, including 171 deaths (case fatality rate 8%), have been reported from 55 of 114 (48%) districts in Madagascar. Analamanga Region has been the most affected, with 72% of all recorded cases.

Seventy six percent of cases have been classified as pneumonic and 15 percent were bubonic.

Based on available information and response measures implemented to date, the potential risk of further spread of plague at national level remains high. The risk of international spread is mitigated by the short incubation period of pneumonic plague, implementation of exit screening measures and advice to traveller to Madagascar, and scaling up of preparedness and operational readiness activities in neighboring Indian Ocean islands and other southern and east African countries. The overall global risk is considered to be low.

Nine countries and overseas territories have been identified as priority countries in the African region for plague preparedness and readiness by virtue of having trade and travel links to Madagascar. These countries and overseas territories include Comoros, Ethiopia, Kenya, Mauritius, Mozambique, La Réunion (France), Seychelles, South Africa, and Tanzania.

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:56 am
by ReadyMom
Image Hat Tip: BW over at FluWiki:

Madagascar's "Worst Plague Outbreak in 50 Years" May Finally Be Winding Down ... nding-down

NOV 15, 2017 | KRISTI ROSA

Plague is one of the oldest—and most feared—of all diseases, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

And right now, Madagascar is in the midst of their worst plague outbreak in 50 years, but the vigorous efforts made by health officials to get it under control seem to be paying off.,

Infamously known as the “Black Death,” plague accounted for a staggering 50 million deaths in Europe in the fourteenth century. Since then, the disease has never gone away. Madagascar is no stranger to the plague; in fact, the bubonic form of the disease is endemic on the Plateaux of Madagascar, including the Ankazobe District, which is where the current outbreak originated.

Plague season came early this year for the large island nation—the epidemic season usually ranges from September to April—bringing with it an outbreak of predominantly the pneumonic form of the disease, which, according to WHO is the most virulent form. Pneumonic plague, or lung-based plague, is always fatal in infected individuals if left untreated.

Between August 1, 2017, and November 10, 2017, a total of 2119 confirmed, probable, and suspected cases of plague were reported, according to the latest External Situation Report released by WHO, and the death toll has reached 171. Furthermore, 365 of the 1618 clinical cases of pneumonic plague have been confirmed.

The good news is that the number of new cases of pneumonic plague appears to have been declining since the middle of October. In addition, health officials cultured 25 isolates of Yersinia pestis—the zoonotic bacteria that causes plague that is usually found in small mammals and their fleas—and found that all isolates were sensitive to all antibiotics recommended by the National Plague Control Program.

WHO representatives have worked hard to optimize infection prevention and control (IPC) efforts, including: training providers at several health facilities in the area and plague treatment centers stationed in Ambalavao, Antsirabe, and Fianarantsoa, working with partners such as United Nations International Children’s Emergency Fund (UNICEF), Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), and others to support water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) IPC, working with UNICEF to distribute WASH IPC supplies such as garbage cans, soap, chlorine powder, handwashing facilities, among others, to the plague treatment centers.

As we stated in our last plague update, WHO has also been working on the creation of a “dignified and safe burial protocol,” for those who have died from the disease. This has since been “finalized and submitted to the national authorities for validation,” according to the WHO Situation Report. WHO expects the passing of this protocol to “encourage communities to report all cases of deaths.” Officials have conducted pre-tests in some areas where they implemented the protocol—Antanarivo Ville and Tamative—and found that 90% of the population appeared to be on board with the proposed protocol measures.

WHO has dubbed 9 countries and overseas territories—Comoros, Ethiopia, Kenya, Mauritius, Mozambique, La Réunion, Seychelles, South Africa, and Tanzania—as “priority countries in the African region for plague preparedness and readiness by virtue of having trade and travel links to Madagascar,” according to the report. WHO also, in collaboration with several national health authorities, compiled a plague preparedness checklist designed to help these areas assess how ready they are for an outbreak if one should hit, and assist them in the development of actions that could help fill any gaps.

“We’ve accomplished a great deal in a short time, and helped to strengthen overall regional health security,” said the WHO Regional Emergencies director for the WHO African Region Ibrahima-Soce Fall, MD. “But to ensure longer-term sustainability, we have to provide continuing support for Madagascar’s health system to better anticipate, detect, and respond to future plague outbreaks. Supporting these efforts improves health security for everyone.”

For the latest confirmed case counts of pneumonic plague in Madagascar, be sure to check out the Contagion® Outbreak Monitor.

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:45 pm
by Illini Warrior ... s_11162017

depends on who you want to believe ..... it's either coming under control or ready to enter a new uncontrollable phase ....

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:56 pm
by daaswampman
Madagascar is not exactly New York City and facts take time to be reported and analyzed. In the meantime the media "WILL" have something to report, even if it is just a hunch, hope, or deadline. The WHO is as fragmented as the CDC - God Help Us when a big one comes along! Swamp

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:07 am
by NJMike
It's still not high up on my immediate threat radar, but I have begun researching the proper antibiotics to keep my fish healthy.
This website details some ABs for treatment of Yersinia Pestis: ... medication
They also cover Anthrax:

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:40 am
by Illini Warrior
if you didn't get your 2014 copy of the antibiotic & dose chart by the Survival Doc - it's a handy quik chek guide to follow .... ... -Dose1.pdf

she does a yearly antibiotic update that should be indexed also ....

here's a good antibiotic article the Doc wrote as the med editor at the SurvivalBlog .... ... stockpile/

here's an oldy she wrote and just recently updated - don't be abusing those antibiotics ....

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:16 pm
by Matte
NJMike wrote:It's still not high up on my immediate threat radar, but I have begun researching the proper antibiotics to keep my fish healthy.
This website details some ABs for treatment of Yersinia Pestis: ... medication
They also cover Anthrax:

Doxycycline is the single best antibiotic if you choose to store only one for some unknown/unspecific future SHTF event (IMO, of course).

- Besides plague and anthrax, it also covers tularemia and Q fever which are other likely bio-warfare agents.
- Most tick-borne diseases (RMSF, Typhus, Lyme)
- Many common STDs (Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis)
- Tetanus
- Cholera
- Malaria (prevention)
- Pneumona (community acquired and walking)

Less people are allergic to it than the penicillins and it's often the alternative for those with pen allergies, it can be used in pregnant women and children when the benefit outweighs the risk, is typically 2 X a day dosing (as opposed to t.i.d or q.i.d for some others), the diseases it covers might be the likely ones encountered in a disaster, and those diseases are not self-limiting. I stock a variety, at least one from each of the most common classes (penicillins, tetracyclines, macrolides, etc), but always make sure to have enough doxy for a couple 10 day courses for everyone. FWIW, I'm not a physician.

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:25 am
by IceFire
ALWAYS be aware of allergies to medicines. For me, it's doxycycline, Keflex, ibuprofen, sulfa-type drugs, and especially flu vaccines. (Anaphylaxis is NOT a fun experience, and one that I do NOT wish to repeat!)

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:47 am
by kenjabroni
Thanks for the links to the different meds. I really appreciate them.

Ice I have been lucky as far as meds go. My BIL is allergic to the cillins. It would suck to not know until SHTF though. Your body going into shock for taking the wrong meds would most likely be fatal in a scenario such as that.

Re: Pneumonic Plague

PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:57 am
by Illini Warrior
here's a small article about treating the plague from a new blogger - needs some encouragement .... ... ng-plague/