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Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby CarlosB4 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:42 am

I don’t know if it is a good idea or not but I found this article about a real life situation of a Vice Principle foiling a massacre:

“A principal and his gun“ by Wayne Laugesen
Oct. 15, 1999

Vice Principal Joel Myrick held his Colt .45 point blank to the high school boy's head. Last week, he told me what it was like. "I said 'why are you shooting my kids?' He said it was because nobody liked him and everything seemed hopeless," Myrick said. "Then I asked him his name. He said 'you know me, Mr. Myrick. Remember? I gave you a discount on your pizza delivery last week."
The shooter was Luke Woodham. On that day in 1997, Woodham slit his mother's throat then grabbed a .30-30 lever action deer rifle. He packed the pockets of his trench coat with ammo and headed off to Pearl High School, in Pearl, Miss.
The moment Myrick heard shots, he ran to his truck. He unlocked the door, removed his gun from its case, removed a round of bullets from another case, loaded the gun and went looking for the killer. "I've always kept a gun in the truck just in case something like this ever happened," said Myrick, who has since become Principal of Corinth High School, Corinth, Miss.
Woodham knew cops would arrive before too long, so he was all business, no play. No talk of Jesus, just shooting and reloading, shooting and reloading. He shot until he heard sirens, and then ran to his car. His plan, authorities subsequently learned, was to drive to nearby Pearl Junior High School and shoot more kids before police could show up.
But Myrick foiled that plan. He saw the killer fleeing the campus and positioned himself to point a gun at the windshield. Woodham, seeing the gun pointed at his head, crashed the car. Myrick approached the killer and confronted him. "Here was this monster killing kids in my school, and the minute I put a gun to his head he was a kid again," Myrick said.

Read More: http://www.davekopel.com/2a/othwr/principal&gun.htm
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby Das Sheep » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:55 am

Teachers have guns in Israel. Not a lot of school shootings there anymore.


The way I personally feel about it is that former LEO and former .mil that work at some schools should be considered for firearms. They could keep them in their desks, or even wear them. Not open carry of course. In the event of a school shooting they can defend the kids or at least give the shooter or shooters a reason to keep their heads down until proper LEO back up arrives.


OR

Just have a cop at the school in an office.
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby Lilredmg » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:51 am

I'm afraid just having a cop in the office would only make him the shooters first target......
Matthew 25:42 "for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave me no drink."

Matthew 25:45 "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me."
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby Buzz » Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:59 am

I believe strongly in the second amendment and as someone has in their signature line on our forum: "An armed society is a polite society"

Every adult working in a school should have the right to be armed if they feel the need and have taken some form of combat pistol training. The NRA has a great video training course you can get. That would be a great start.

Did you see the recent thing on the news about the Texas school? They interviewed a principal who is armed and made no bones about the fact that he would try to kill anyone who tried to harm "his" kids. Just like any mother or father should feel about their own children. I wish all teachers were so clear and willing to take a proactive stance on the subject. We could halt this type of thing in it's tracks.

To round out the story on this security thing:
I quit flying when they started their ridiculous security process. Sure I flew for the Company because they made me but I never paid for a another flight with my own money again especially since I retired. In part because a skilled terrorist can thwart their procedures so easily and also because I don't think I should be treated like crap when I am paying them my good money to fly on their cramped overpriced planes. That being said I have always held that the airlines should have started having a shoebox of cheap steak knives at the door of every flight. Every customer should take one and return it when they get off the plane. I guarantee you there would be no more attempts to highjack a plane or create any mischief for that matter.

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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby rjburk » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:03 am

Police carry guns out of CHOICE, they know at any time they can be a target.....If a shooter walks into a school looking to kill...I want to the shooter to focus on the officer, not kids.....and Lord willing the officer gets the job done. The whole point is to prevent...the officer knows the deal. There are many who will accept it.
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby ShotgunBlast » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:12 am

We portray these educators like they're fragile little things, but in reality they're just like you and me. Some of them already have guns. Some of them already have concealed carry permits. Some of them spend more time at the range than the local police officers. Their permits and the very fact that they have the job that they do is a message that says "we grant you a level of trust that you'll do the right thing". I'm not sure how putting a firearm on someone's hip that wants one there nullifies that message. It's a fallacy that having possession of an inanimate object somehow corrupts you. If an educator doesn't want a firearm on their hip, they're a grown adult and shouldn't be forced to have one.
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby WyoDutch » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:12 am

When I was in grade school, our principal kept a .38 revolver in his desk drawer. At the time, I didn't understand why... today, I realize he was an incredibly smart man.

These days, we post "Gun Free Zone" signs at our schools, when in fact, we ought to be posting "Deadly Force Will Be Used to Insure the Safety of Staff and Students."

You know times are bad in America when GW Bush's presidency starts looking good..
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby rjburk » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:30 am

Exactly....make it known......
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby Gunns » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:37 am

Not everyone in Minnesota is anti-gun.

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2012 ... achers.php

State Representative Tony Cornish to introduce legislation to arm teachers. It won't get passed but its an attempt.
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby Nomad » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:25 am

Yes........
As well as other members of of any school staff and willing to train with them...
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby HisEyeisOntheSparrow » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:10 am

WyoDutch wrote:When I was in grade school, our principal kept a .38 revolver in his desk drawer. At the time, I didn't understand why... today, I realize he was an incredibly smart man.

These days, we post "Gun Free Zone" signs at our schools, when in fact, we ought to be posting "Deadly Force Will Be Used to Insure the Safety of Staff and Students."



Smart men indeed!
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby Das Sheep » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:56 am

There are also teachers who CC in texas legally. And now it might become state wide.
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby Disa » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:27 am

After 9/11 EVERYBODY thought it was a great idea to have appropriately trained, armed air marshals and pilots on flights. I'm having a real hard time understanding why people would not think it an equally great idea to have appropriately trained and armed administrators and teachers in schools.

Just sayin'.
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby HisEyeisOntheSparrow » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:37 am

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/ ... p=trending

excellent article, logical and well written. The author makes the case that if this tragedy would have been a movie, the hero would have come out of the woodwork (like Jason Bourne) and saved the school. The right to the 2nd Amendment is *most likely* a NEED to keep and bear arms. Great "forward" article for family and friends who are reeling and jumping on the gun-free bandwagon. Yes, principals SHOULD be allowed and encouraged to have a weapon. Absolutely. I'll volunteer my tax $ for that. That's a cause to get behind. Not the printing of another lame "gun-free" sign.
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Re: Should Principles be allowed Weapons?

Postby Gallimaufry » Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:07 pm

I don't see the general population being keen on the idea of armed teachers, but maybe they would go for a half-way measure. Mace and/or tasers. It's not a perfect solution and neither weapon is long-range, but they are non-lethal weapons, so even if someone got Maced by mistake, it's not going to kill him.

These weapons are likely to be more acceptable to the teachers, too. I don't think you'd be able to compel someone to carry a firearm. Some people (my sister among them) don't even want a gun in the house, as though it would load itself and come creeping around the corner and shoot her. She would be fine with pepper spray or a taser, though. I'm using her as an example, btw, because she is a 7th grade teacher.

Not sure how I feel about the principal/vice principal being armed, though. I'd rather give a gun to the building custodian (seriously).

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