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Postby boltactionreducer » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:14 pm

so recently I had a sinus infection my wife brought home kit that had packets of saline you mix with sterile water. the Question is could it be used to irrigate a wound or maybe even a I.V The I.V thing scares me but wound wash sounds quite viable any thoughts
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby arkieready » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:18 pm

I'm not a doctor, but I wouldnt use it as an iv. But I personally would hesitate to use it as a wound wash. Just the sterile water would work.
BTW, did rinsing your sinuses bring relief? I use a neti pot often, sometimes I use just saline, sometimes I add a "booster"
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby boltactionreducer » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:38 pm

yes worked rather well
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby watcher » Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:25 pm

IIRC normal, hyper and hypotonic salt solutions (including IV solutions) used to be mixed onsite at times (say WW2 or korean war era). Perhaps a medical history buff might research it for us. As far as an irrigation solution boiled then cooled water (cover as best as possable while cooling) should work just fine, but if you really wanted to go to the effort of making sterile water pressure can distilled water, that will do it.
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby angie_nrs » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:42 pm

I would also not use it as an IV fluid as it would be extremely difficult to mix a fluid in a completely sterile environment in an emergency situation. I think it's best to be careful with any solution that you introduce directly into the venous system without any type of bodily filter as a safety net. Although, I have witnessed human bodies be very resilient, even when poisons are introduced directly into the system. IV drug users do it all the time.....some with fatal results.....but many of them are not an acute direct effect due to infection caused by contaminated IV solution. However, I'm sure there have been cases like that, even excluding disease such as hepatitis and AIDS. But, I digress......
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby pelenaka » Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:58 pm

DIY saline - http://www.ccac-ont.ca/Upload/mh/Genera ... Saline.pdf

Only serious link on making IV solutions I could locate - Starting with an EPA-quality water source, a stand-alone FIVR device will produce a variety of FDA-approved IV solutions to include normal saline, half saline, dextrose and lactated Ringers. With this the device must be operable by a single person. -http://www.kmimediagroup.com/mmt-home/157-mmt-2007-volume-11-issue-3/1383-make-your-own-iv-fluid.html

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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby Das Sheep » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:03 pm

boltactionreducer wrote:so recently I had a sinus infection my wife brought home kit that had packets of saline you mix with sterile water. the Question is could it be used to irrigate a wound or maybe even a I.V The I.V thing scares me but wound wash sounds quite viable any thoughts


There are little bottles for eye washing in industrial first aid kits that are perfect for a bob first aid kit, and squirt water under pressure, which makes them perfect for wound irrigation so you have the pressure to knock out dirt and the such. They are sealed and sterile.
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby Prepper K » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:19 pm

Normal saline solution is .9% sodium Chloride. Gotta be careful about too much salt in the body as well as potassium and calcium. You throw too much of one or the other in the mix and you can end up with cardiac issues that could not be so good. I would not use it as an IV solution at all. Possibly an OK thing to irrigate a wound as long as the water is not infested with nasties.
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby conjomen » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:22 pm

I read somewhere that irrigating a wound with clear water works just as well as sterile water in the long term because you tend to use more water if it doesn't come in a single application bottle. Like if you can hold the wound under a running tap there is less risk of infection then using normal saline solution or sterile water. Of course when I am at work I use about 10 ,1000 ml bottles to wash a wound but I have it right next to me.( The reason u use n.s. for irrigation is because it mimics blood. As above poster mentioned you have to be careful about introducing certin minerals into the bloodstream).If you are just cleaning a wound clear water is fine. I would be afraid to mix my own I.V. solution for various reasons. Some of which are listed above.But if anyone knows how I am interested. That would be a good thing to know if tshtf.
Oh,and great tip about pressure canning h2o. Now just have to store some distilled water and I will always have sterile water!
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby Senah » Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:30 pm

DO NOT USE IT TO MAKE IV FLUID! You will possibly kill someone. As noted before, the normal saline solution is different, and depending on what you are treating, you might need a different solution all together to not draw out fluids and kill the person (e.g. do you need NS or D5% or NSD5...).

As for flushing a wound, high pressure and quantity of fluid is more important than having sterile water or saline solution. Use tap water (as long as it isn't contaminated), just use something that will allow for enough pressure when flushing and use enough water.
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby TheSurvivalDoctor » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:52 pm

Any water clean enough for drinking is good enough for irrigating a wound. Adding a little salt is fine, but not necessary.I have a post on wound irrigation on my blog.
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby EvilBunny » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:24 pm

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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby Shera » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:38 pm

No on using as IV.

I use the Neti packets nasal flushes to releive allergies and prevent sinus infections.
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby fire_emt7214 » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:18 pm

Does anyone know of a website that doesn't require you to submit a copy of a medical authorization form with a DEA number in order to order Nacl IV fluid? Or a way around the form?
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Re: cheap saline or dumb idea

Postby mallorian » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:18 am

I have never bought anything from here but supposedly you don't need a prescription. http://www.dealmed.com/ I don't know how they can sell it to anyone other than a licensed health care professional as IV solutions are considered a drug by the FDA and are only supposed to be sold and dispensed on order of a licensed health care provider.
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