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Re: Prep Concerns for Korean 'Conflict'

Postby OPFOR Tactician » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:23 am

Thought ya'll would be interested. Note this scenario has only four, perhaps no, NUDETs on CONUS. What effect on us then?

OF course, strategically speaking, should the U.S. suffer the type of destruction to its air, naval, and Marine Corps forces as depicted here - it will leave the Chinese/Russian navies/air forces THE dominate Far Eastern military powers for quite a while.

All assuming, of course, that they don't decide to play for their own benefit that is. Back during the Cold War, the great U.S. concern was a Soviet attack on Hakido. Should the U.S. be permanently removed from the Far Eastern theater of war, that would be a very tempting prize as would Taiwan for the Chinese.

Just sayin.

http://nationalinterest.org/print/blog/ ... ople-22664

How North Korea Would Wage a Nuclear War (And Kill Millions of People)
The National Interest

...In August, the Washington Post [5]—citing Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) analyses—suggested that North Korea has 60 nuclear warheads in his arsenal. However, if one were to assume that the DIA has grossly overestimated the size of Pyongyang’s arsenal and assume the Kim regime possesses only 30 nuclear warheads, that is still a sizeable force.

Let’s also further assume that Pyongyang understands that any U.S. military intervention on North Korean peninsula also means that it is game over for the Kim regime, thus Kim Jong-un has the option of either using his last line of defense, or simply be swept aside by American forces. Given that set of circumstances, the Kim regime would likely chose to use its nuclear weapons.

The best option for the Kim regime in such a scenario would be to reserve perhaps four warheads for a counter-value strike against the United States—assuming that Pyongyang possesses an operational intercontinental ballistic missile capability. Most of the remainder of the North Korean nuclear arsenal might be best used for counterforce strikes against major American, South Korean and Japanese military facilities and infrastructure. North Korean chemical and biological weapons—not to mention conventional artillery—likely provides enough counter-value capability to reserve the regime’s nuclear forces for counter-force usage.

In order to have even the slightest chance of survival, the North Koreans would have to prevent U.S. reinforcements from arriving on the peninsula. That means the largest naval and civilian port facilities and potential staging areas in Japan that might be used to reinforce allied forces on the Korean peninsula would have to be hit. The best way to assure that those facilities are rendered useless is to use nuclear weapons.

Among the targets that North Korea would likely hit are Kunsan and Pyeongtaek—both of which not only have large port facilities, but are also host to the majority of American airpower on the Korean peninsula. Other logical targets for a North Korean nuclear strike would be Incheon—where Gen. Douglas MacArthur landed during the first Korean War in September 1950—Busan, Ulsan, Masan, Mokpo, Pohang and Gwangyang. Those nine targets—many of which also house South Korean and U.S. naval forces—could be hit with two nuclear warheads a piece for the sake of redundancy.

Targets in Japan might include the greater Tokyo area where the Yukosuka naval base, Atsugi naval air station and Yokota air base are clustered. Additionally, the North Koreans might also target the Sasebo naval base and Iwakuni Marine Corps air station in southern Japan as well as Misawa air base in Northern Japan. Okinawa—host to Kadena air base and the Marine Corps station in Futenma—might also be a potential target. Out of the Japanese installations, Yukosuka is the most important as it is the homeport for a huge U.S. navy presence which includes the carrier USS Ronald Reagan (CVN-76). Knocking out that facility would seriously hamper U.S. operations around the Korean peninsula.

If the North Koreans have any left over nuclear weapons, it is possible that Kim Jong-un might reserve one bomb for Pyongyang itself. As U.S. and South Korean forces—though likely damaged badly from the North Korean nuclear onslaught—inevitably march north [11] and enter Pyongyang, Kim could in a last act of vengeance launch his ICBMs towards [11] the continental United States. Further, with the one bomb reserved for Pyongyang—as U.S. and allied forces enter the city—Kim could detonate that weapon, turning the metropolis into a nuclear funeral pyre that takes Kim’s enemies with him. With a regime like North Korea, it is not outside the realm of the possible.
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Re: Prep Concerns for Korean 'Conflict'

Postby TRex2 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:38 am

Thanks OPFOR Tactician, for those articles.

I have been saying, for a few years now, that America is going to be destroyed. It isn't a matter of if, but when, and by whom. There are several different forces who are promising to destroy us, and N.Korea is one of the most probable right now. Until 7 Nov 2006, I thought it would all come unglued in the late 2030's, give or take a little.
But that day the people, having tired of prosperity and liberty, voted, and chose to be impoverished and enslaved.

And now, here we are 11 years later, with a leader who is trying to slow
that process, and give us a few more years. But will we get those years?

God only knows.
It is His timetable that matters, anyway.

Meanwhile, in Proverbs we are told:
A prudent man foreseeth the evil and hideth himself, but the simple pass by and are punished.

That should be on the front page of every prepper book.
It reminds us of why we do these things.
Calling Islam a religion isn't much different than calling Nazism or Communism a religion.
Both were also political movements with a religious component, just like Islam.
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Re: Prep Concerns for Korean 'Conflict'

Postby angie_nrs » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:35 pm

TRex2 wrote:Meanwhile, in Proverbs we are told:
A prudent man foreseeth the evil and hideth himself, but the simple pass by and are punished.


:thumbup:
That is why I prepare like a turtle. Nobody notices what's going on. Although, most of the time most of the folks around me are oblivious anyways, especially when shopping.

I wouldn't be surprised if America just implodes on itself. Little fat man just needs to be patient and wait. With all the stupidity going around in our nation, it is just a matter of time. Many will be too high, drunk, or stoned to know what hit em'......no matter what happens.

I have been more vigilant in my preps. I have plans tomorrow to get some more supplies I will need to finish one project and start another. I have also been taking advantage of "fall sales" and stocking up. Every single time I go to town I am purchasing something to prepare. I think I might make another trip tomorrow to pick up some more canned goods as that sale is ending very soon. My pantry is going to be busting out at the seams. If nothing happens, we will be eating at home A LOT this winter to use up some stock.....but it will be yummy! Hopefully everything else in the world stays calm. I'm not banking on it though. Trump has said some ominous things that makes me wonder what he is up to. The calm before the storm?????
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Re: Prep Concerns for Korean 'Conflict'

Postby OPFOR Tactician » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:00 pm

Angie

FYI only, but the wife and I have been running an experiment regards the shelf life of various canned food.

Right now we are regularly eating canned vegetables, meats, fruits, even tomato products of various types that are 8-10 years past their "Recommended Sell By Date". So far there has been no spoiled food to include "SPAM Bacon" dated June 2007. All have been stored in a dry cool basement and never exposed to high heat or humidity.

Consequently, we are convinced once we're in our final BOL, we will be stocking up more of the cheaper canned goods than the expensive freeze dried stuff. Don't get me wrong, the FD still plays an important part, as does bucket stored grain etc., but the canned goods will also suffice quite well.

OT

PS: We are also starting to test freeze dried products from an old company called Sam Goody. It does not look the best when reconstituted and the taste is a little off, but other than that its still useable 42 years after purchase.
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Re: Prep Concerns for Korean 'Conflict'

Postby TRex2 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:11 pm

Let us know if some things don't keep as well as others.
Here is one from Viking Preparedness that didn't hold up well :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwRyajZllog

Thus far, I have limited myself to 3 to 5 years after experation.
(The date on the can of milk he had is encoded on the bottom)

He addresses this more in the next video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2J1ILYHD_w
Calling Islam a religion isn't much different than calling Nazism or Communism a religion.
Both were also political movements with a religious component, just like Islam.
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Re: Prep Concerns for Korean 'Conflict'

Postby angie_nrs » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:02 pm

OPFOR Tactician wrote:Right now we are regularly eating canned vegetables, meats, fruits, even tomato products of various types that are 8-10 years past their "Recommended Sell By Date". So far there has been no spoiled food to include "SPAM Bacon" dated June 2007. All have been stored in a dry cool basement and never exposed to high heat or humidity.


Good to know. I don't think any of my canned goods are that old but I haven't been over stocking food that long b/c I haven't really had the space until recently to put everything. I just got serious about it fairly recently. So (some things are past the best date) but I regularly cycle thru my stock. As I get more, it won't be as easy to do that, although I still use FIFO. I just prepared an area of the basement for LT food storage. If things get too far past the due date, and I have room, I'm going to keep them there anyways. I'm hoping I'll never have to use it, but if I do...."something" is likely better than "nothing". I'd rather take a chance on 15 year old pasta sauce than not eat at all. Let's face it, I'd have to be pretty desperate to eat very old things, but you know what they say about desperate times.... Plus, you just never know until you open it. I think a prudent decision could be made at that time. Why would I throw something out when I don't know if it's good or not? Open it, then decide. I'd like to think I would still have common sense even if SHTF. There are also other uses for food that I wouldn't eat. They can be used as potential animal feed, bait, compost, etc. Perhaps even the containers could serve a purpose.

I tell my son that if nothing else, when I die, he'll have a fully stocked room that he never had to pay a penny for. Even if it just sat there and served him no purpose what-so-ever, at least he can have a sense of security knowing it is there, if things ever did happen. He gets it. It's just another way of showing him how much I love him, even if he thinks I might be a little eccentric.
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Re: Prep Concerns for Korean 'Conflict'

Postby TRex2 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:02 pm

One thing I don't see mentioned in any of this is food banks or other charities. For years, I have supported a local food bank that some of our churches run. And, for years, a portion of my excess canned goods went to it, just a couple of months before they expired. That reduced the amount of out dated food I had on hand, and increased the amount I had on hand that wasn't "expired," all while helping my church's charity.

I am planning to move to another state in a few months, and after that, my excess canned good will go to my relatives (mostly grandchildren).
Calling Islam a religion isn't much different than calling Nazism or Communism a religion.
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Re: Prep Concerns for Korean 'Conflict'

Postby John Galt 1 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:07 pm

After reading the news the last week I suspect the US is about to blast NK. I hope we have the ability to destroy those nukes on the ground and that the few missiles that may get off will be intercepted by the THAD systems in S. Korea, Japan, Guam, and the US. I also hope we can take out the artillery N. Korea has aimed at Seoul before it does too much damage but I'm dubious that we can take that artillery out before it does a lot of damage. Those guns may be old but there are thousands of them (or so I've read).

We've been polishing the preps restocking anything (like spare dog food)that has gotten low.
Dog and cat food don't hold well during the hot summer temps here so we don't keep much extra during the summers. Yes, the house has AC but it's a mini-split system (solar powered) so the cooling is a bit uneven.
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Re: Prep Concerns for Korean 'Conflict'

Postby ReadyMom » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:57 pm

I've been nervous about spending more on freeze dried #10 cans of meat. But, I'm starting to change my mind. Our pro-soccer playing son is done for the season. He's been in Texas, since Jan. and has his car with him. Hubby flew down to make the Texas to Penna drive home with him. A father-son experience they are never going to forget. BUT ... the hotel stays & all the drinking & sport events they have planned on the way home is making me change my mind about that Freeze dried expense! I'm thinking 'Why Not?' :rolleyes: One night's stay in a decent hotel or a couple of tickets = at least a few cans of meat. Hubby's priorities and mine are VERY different :bored: . -k
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