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How to treat shock

Postby rickyticky » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:08 pm

This has been on my mind for a bit. How do you treat shock when the are no hospitals or when they are over filled? I know when SHTF people will more than likely go into shock and I want to know how to treat it. I look up how to treat it, but most of the time it's just "cover them with a blanket and call for an ambulance.". This doesn't help much.
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Re: How to treat shock

Postby watcher » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:17 pm

Get a wilderness first aid book. Also take an American Red Cross First Aid class or three. For more advanced treatments download the book "Where There Is No Doctor" at hesperian.com.
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Re: How to treat shock

Postby DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:51 pm

link above is no good(.com)

Here is the actual link to download the book...Watcher had great advice, just the wrong domain. ;)

http://hesperian.org/books-and-resources/

You can get these cheaper on Amazon but you are supporting a non-profit at the above...


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Re: How to treat shock

Postby oldasrocks » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:14 pm

Smelling salts or a shot of bourbon .
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Re: How to treat shock

Postby rickyticky » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:34 pm

Thanks guys.
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Re: How to treat shock

Postby pilgrimtr » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:30 am

rickyticky,
it's been quite a while since paramedic school but I believe there are seven types of shock. some are treated with volume replacement, hemorrhagic shock, bleeding. some with medication epinephrine. anaphylactic shock. insect stings allergy's. the best thing you can do is education. learn the types of shock and how to treat them. some you will not be able to treat unless you have the ability to administer an IV intravenous solution to replenish the volume. if not an IV, the only other thing you can do in a bleeding situation is, stop the bleeding, raise the lower extremity's. and keep them warm. in this situation you may not be able to give them liquids by mouth because of nausea. and if they throw up the patient may aspirate the fluid into there lungs. So you see there is no easy answer to your question. educate your self. and still, if you don't have the equipment, all the knowledge will only tell you why the died.. good luck and God bless pilgrim
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Re: How to treat shock

Postby daaswampman » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:03 pm

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Shock

Shock is a life-threatening condition that occurs when the body is not getting enough blood flow. Lack of blood flow means that the cells and organs do not get enough oxygen and nutrients to function properly. Many organs can be damaged as a result. Shock requires immediate treatment and can get worse very rapidly. As many 1 in 5 people who suffer shock will die from it.

Considerations
The main types of shock include:

Cardiogenic shock (due to heart problems)
Hypovolemic shock (caused by too little blood volume)
Anaphylactic shock (caused by allergic reaction)
Septic shock (due to infections)
Neurogenic shock (caused by damage to the nervous system)

Causes
Shock can be caused by any condition that reduces blood flow, including:

Heart problems (such as heart attack or heart failure)
Low blood volume (as with heavy bleeding or dehydration)
Changes in blood vessels (as with infection or severe allergic reactions)
Certain medicines that significantly reduce heart function or blood pressure
Shock is often associated with heavy external or internal bleeding from a serious injury. Spinal injuries can also cause shock.

Toxic shock syndrome is an example of a type of shock from an infection.

Symptoms
A person in shock has extremely low blood pressure. Depending on the specific cause and type of shock, symptoms will include one or more of the following:

Anxiety or agitation/restlessness
Bluish lips and fingernails
Chest pain
Confusion
Dizziness, lightheadedness, or faintness
Pale, cool, clammy skin
Low or no urine output
Profuse sweating, moist skin
Rapid but weak pulse
Shallow breathing
Unconsciousness
First Aid
Take the following steps if you think a person is in shock:

Call 911 for immediate medical help.
Check the person's airway, breathing, and circulation. If necessary, begin rescue breathing and CPR.
Even if the person is able to breathe on their own, continue to check rate of breathing at least every 5 minutes until help arrives.
If the person is conscious and does NOT have an injury to the head, leg, neck, or spine, place the person in the shock position. Lay the person on the back and elevate the legs about 12 inches (30 centimeters). Do NOT elevate the head. If raising the legs will cause pain or potential harm, leave the person lying flat.
Give appropriate first aid for any wounds, injuries, or illnesses.
Keep the person warm and comfortable. Loosen tight clothing.
IF THE PERSON VOMITS OR DROOLS

Turn the head to one side to prevent choking. Do this as long as you do not suspect an injury to the spine.
If a spinal injury is suspected, "log roll" the person instead. To do this, keep the person's head, neck, and back in line, and roll the body and head as a unit.
DO NOT
In case of shock:

Do NOT give the person anything by mouth, including anything to eat or drink.
Do NOT move the person with a known or suspected spinal injury.
Do NOT wait for milder shock symptoms to worsen before calling for emergency medical help.
When to Contact a Medical Professional
Call 911 any time a person has symptoms of shock. Stay with the person and follow the first aid steps until medical help arrives.

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000039.htm

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Re: How to treat shock

Postby pilgrimtr » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:41 pm

rickyticky wrote:This has been on my mind for a bit. How do you treat shock when the are no hospitals or when they are over filled? I know when SHTF people will more than likely go into shock and I want to know how to treat it. I look up how to treat it, but most of the time it's just "cover them with a blanket and call for an ambulance.". This doesn't help much.


Swamp all that you wrote is true but the question was how do you treat shock when there are no hospitals or when they are over filled. I was addressing the question that rickyticky asked. if you have a person in anaphylactic shock. unless you have 1:1000 epinephrine to administer all the basic shock treatment will do no good. if they are in cardiogenic shock unless you have the correct meds and can determine what arrhythmia they are in you cannot correct the problem. if they are in septic shock due to and infection. and you do not have the antibiotics again you can not correct the problem. if it is a hypovolemic problem due to internal bleeding unless you can perform surgery. again the basic are no good. the treatments that you have quoted are for treatable shock from external bleeding or shock that can be rectified by environmental correction. in a SHTF scenario when you can't dill 911 as I said in my first post if you don't have the advanced life support skills and the equipment and knowledge to administer them the basic shock treatment will not cure the patient. pilgrim
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Re: How to treat shock

Postby watcher » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:49 am

World Health Organization Oral Rehydration Solution Salts Recipe

½ teaspoon Table Salt (NaCl)
½ Salt Substitute (KCl)
½ Baking Soda
2 Tablespoons Table Sugar
Add this to 1 Qt. + 2 tablespoons fresh clean water

The dried ingredients can be carried with you at all times.
Once made the solution must be consumed within 24 hours.


OR

Homemade Gatorade
1 (1/4 ounce) envelope unsweetened flavored drink mix (enough for 2 quarts)
1/2 teaspoon table salt
1/4 teaspoon Morton Salt Substitute)
1/4 cup sugar
1/4 cup granular fructose OR 1/4 cup plus 2 tbs. corn syrup
¼ cup glucose
1/2 teaspoon citric acid OR 2 tbs. lemon juice
2 quarts fresh clean water
8 servings
3 minutes prep time
Place all ingredients in a large pitcher or jug and stir or shake until well mixed. Chill and keep refrigerated until used.

The dry ingredients can be bagged and carried as well


The following is the "Simple Solution" - Home made Oral Rehydration Salts (ORS) Recipe found at survivalblog.com


Ingredients:

Six (6) level teaspoons of Sugar
Half (1/2) level teaspoon of Salt
One Liter of clean drinking or boiled water and then cooled -
5 cupfuls (each cup is about 200 ml.)

Preparation Method:

Stir the mixture until the salt and sugar dissolve.

There are many other formulas out there, this one is simple and easy with just three ingredients.
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