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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby TRex2 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:04 am

Illini Warrior wrote:North Korea lives on their worldwide smuggling operations - they covertly ship out tonnage and diplomatically send out plenty to the world capitol spots that still allow them diplomatic access ..... arms, drugs, counterfeit cash and anything else they can make $$$$$ on .... the US recently snatched one of their outgoing diplomatic pouches headed back home - most likely washed cash from their illegals ops .... a righteous agent wouldn't have to scrounge much to get him/her self ready for their mission - buy or smuggle whatever necessary - the fact that the US never arrests anybody (or covers it up really well) attests to their professionality ....

That is part of what I was saying about the naivety of a poster. There is a massive black market for guns and explosives that dwarfs all of the "gun shows" the liberals whine about. Diplomatic pouch operations are fairly minute part of that, but it's there. Over 80% (I have heard that it is now over 90%) of N.K. supplies flow through the border between N.K. and China.

The reason for the lack of arrests of N.K. agents is that DHS and FBI were told, for the last 10 years (or more) to concentrate their efforts on Patriots, Preppers and other right wing groups, like the TEA Party. They aren't likely to arrest anyone they don't bother to investigate.

But, we are getting quite a ways away from "EMP"
so if you want to pursue this further (although I think
we exhausted it) we need to start another thread.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby ReadyMom » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:14 pm

TRex2 wrote:
John Galt 1 wrote:I'm not wanting to turn this thread into a conspiracy thread but consider this.

Too late. That ship sailed about three days ago.


Thread IS called " ... Concerns & Discussions ... Discuss away, just follow usual social/polite protocol and keep it within the realms of 'What Ifs' with NOKO & Emps. We could always start another thread, like mentioned above for more obscure concernes with NOKO. (I'm finding them interesting!)
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby daaswampman » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:23 pm

Why did we end up in wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and military engagements in Panama and Grenada- were those countries or leaders a threat to us?

Great question to ask our leaders and the truth is always the same - resources and strategic advantages! Not one of those locations threatened the integrity of the United States! And there are plenty more examples like Afghanistan, Syria, or our troops recently killed in Africa.

China could stop North Korea at any time, but why should they? As long as we are preoccupied with North Korea, they can do as they wish in the South China Seas. How long would Taiwan last if it were not for Uncle Sam's nose up everyone's butt? Ditto for all the old parts of the USSR!

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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby Illini Warrior » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:02 pm

daaswampman wrote:Why did we end up in wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and military engagements in Panama and Grenada- were those countries or leaders a threat to us?

Great question to ask our leaders and the truth is always the same - resources and strategic advantages! Not one of those locations threatened the integrity of the United States! And there are plenty more examples like Afghanistan, Syria, or our troops recently killed in Africa.

China could stop North Korea at any time, but why should they? As long as we are preoccupied with North Korea, they can do as they wish in the South China Seas. How long would Taiwan last if it were not for Uncle Sam's nose up everyone's butt? Ditto for all the old parts of the USSR!

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I would think the huge mistakes of pacification for both WW1 and WW2 would have sunk into any American even slightly familiar with history - and the US wasn't the world's leader back then .... Obammy ignored his responsibilities for 8 years and the world went to total poo poo because of it - now it's more critical than ever to recover and quadruple our support of the allies ... playing possum or gopher in a hole isn't the answer - never was - ignoring the situation or taking care of the problem with half measures is for losers & quitters ...
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby daaswampman » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:12 pm

Illini Warrior wrote:
daaswampman wrote:Why did we end up in wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and military engagements in Panama and Grenada- were those countries or leaders a threat to us?

Great question to ask our leaders and the truth is always the same - resources and strategic advantages! Not one of those locations threatened the integrity of the United States! And there are plenty more examples like Afghanistan, Syria, or our troops recently killed in Africa.

China could stop North Korea at any time, but why should they? As long as we are preoccupied with North Korea, they can do as they wish in the South China Seas. How long would Taiwan last if it were not for Uncle Sam's nose up everyone's butt? Ditto for all the old parts of the USSR!

The world powers that could fight us - don't need to! What they need is for us to mind our own business! Sooner or later the neighborhood bully will take a hit! Swamp

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I would think the huge mistakes of pacification for both WW1 and WW2 would have sunk into any American even slightly familiar with history - and the US wasn't the world's leader back then .... Obammy ignored his responsibilities for 8 years and the world went to total poo poo because of it - now it's more critical than ever to recover and quadruple our support of the allies ... playing possum or gopher in a hole isn't the answer - never was - ignoring the situation or taking care of the problem with half measures is for losers & quitters ...


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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby ReadyMom » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:47 pm

'Another missile test will mean WAR' Shock warning of Chinese BLITZ on North Korea
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/869 ... im-Jong-Un

Sun, Oct 22, 2017

A CHINESE academic with close links to officials inside the country's defence establishment has revealed that China is prepared to "go to war" with North Korea.

In a shocking bombshell interview, an academic with close ties to the Chinese government has warned war with North Korea was on the table.

Chong Sho-Hu, who is a professor of international relations at the Renmin University, in Beijing, said North Korea was "seeking death".

He also confirmed the long-lasting era of Chinese friendship with North Korea has ended.

Despite historic ties between the two countries, president Xi Jinping has reportedly become "fed up" with the erratic behaviour of the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Un.

Speaking to the BBC, the professor warned that one more missile test would be the move "to push the country off the cliff".

President Jinping was said to be "boiling with fury" after North Korea recently tested a missile just as China was gearing up to host a pivotal global economic conference.

The former US ambassador to China Max Baucus recently claimed the only time he saw the Chinese leader use "undiplomatic language" was in relation to Kim Jong-Un.

Professor Sho-Hu, who has ties to China's defence and foreign affairs establishment, suggested that the time may have come for a military solution to the problem.

He said: "The Chinese government is mad, China’s top leader is mad. China wants to punish North Korea.


"China once had special relations with the Soviet Union but they had war with that country.

"They also had a very special relationship with Vietnam but then they had a war with them in 1979

"The relationship between China and North Korea is worse than both of those.

"I will say, there are no permanent friends and no permanent enemies."

The professor added: "North Korea is in an awkward situation. No country has ever encountered such tough sanctions before.

"If they do nothing, they will starve to death. If they do another ICBM test, they will seek to die.

"North Korea is standing on the edge of a deep cliff, one light blow could push this country of the cliff."

When asked whether this meant one more missile test could trigger war, the professor agreed.

This week the China's leader Xi Jinping outlined his plans to make China the most powerful nation in the world.

In a three and a half hour speech at the Chinese Communist Party Congress, he said he would build the biggest army in the world, but wanted to avoid a conflict with US President Donald Trump over North Korea.

But, speaking of the People's Liberation Army, he said: “A military is built to fight.”

He told delegates: “By 2050 China will become a global leader in terms of comprehensive national strength and international influence with the rule of law, innovative companies, a clean environment, an expanding middle class, adequate public transportation and reduced disparities between urban and rural areas.

“Chinese people will enjoy greater happiness and well-being, and the Chinese nation will stand taller and firmer in the world.

“China is approaching the centre of the world stage.”

A cyber security expert told Express.co.uk China could strike the US by pretending to be North Korea.

Matt Morris, vice president of NexDefense, said hackers knew the digital footprints of other states and were mimicking them to use as a decoy.

CIA chief Mike Pompeo said on Thursday that North Korea could be only “months” away from gaining the ability to hit the United States with nuclear weapons.

US President Donald Trump is expected to try and pressure the Chinese president when they meet next month.

The White House want China to do more to rein in North Korea, following the president's consolidation of power at the Communist Party Congress.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby John Galt 1 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:52 pm

That's a powerful statement from China.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby ReadyMom » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:27 pm

First the Chinese academic gave a stern warning and now this one from the Japanese Defense Minister:

North Korea threats at 'unprecedented, critical' level, Japan official says
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/10/23 ... -says.html

The threat of nuclear war posed by North Korea has grown to an “unprecedented” level amid escalating tensions with the rogue regime and now requires the U.S., Japan and South Korea to demonstrate “different responses” to the threat, a Japanese official said Monday.

Speaking with the U.S. and South Korean counterparts at a meeting of Asian defense chiefs in the Philippines, Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera said “(The) threat posed by North Korea has grown to the unprecedented, critical and imminent level,” according to a Reuters report. “Therefore, we have to take calibrated and different responses to meet with that level of threat.”

U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis had similar remarks, noting that North Korea’s ongoing intimidations “threaten regional and global security.”

“North Korea’s provocative behavior is becoming worse and worse,” South Korean Defense Minister Song Young-Moo added.

The comments among defense chiefs follows a report that North Korea’s biological weapons program could kill tens of thousands of people and “create panic and paralyze societies.”

According to Reuters, the defense ministers from the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), highlighted the “need to maintain peace and stability in the region” and called “for the exercise of self-restraint and the resumption of dialogue to de-escalate tensions in the Korean peninsula.”

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un called President Donald Trump a “lunatic” on Sunday for taking the U.S. and its “poor puppet forces” straight “into ruin.”

The president last week said he would “certainly take a look” at visiting the DMZ, or demilitarized zone, after he was invited to tour U.S. Army installation Camp Humphreys, located south of Seoul, the South Korean capital.

U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein recently said the military branch was preparing to place its fleet of nuclear-armed B-52 bombers on 24-hour alert status, noting that in a world where “we’ve got folks that are talking openly about use of nuclear weapons,” it’s important to remain alert and remain prepared.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby TRex2 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:27 am

ReadyMom wrote:First the Chinese academic gave a stern warning and now this one from the Japanese Defense Minister:

North Korea threats at 'unprecedented, critical' level, Japan official says
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/10/23 ... -says.html

The threat of nuclear war posed by North Korea has grown to an “unprecedented” level amid escalating tensions with the rogue regime and now requires the U.S., Japan and South Korea to demonstrate “different responses” to the threat, a Japanese official said Monday.

Speaking with the U.S. and South Korean counterparts at a meeting of Asian defense chiefs in the Philippines, Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera said “(The) threat posed by North Korea has grown to the unprecedented, critical and imminent level,” according to a Reuters report. “Therefore, we have to take calibrated and different responses to meet with that level of threat.”


Something like a mirror image of the Chinese.

ReadyMom wrote:'Another missile test will mean WAR' Shock warning of Chinese BLITZ on North Korea
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/869 ... im-Jong-Un
Sun, Oct 22, 2017
A CHINESE academic with close links to officials inside the country's defence establishment has revealed that China is prepared to "go to war" with North Korea.
In a shocking bombshell interview, an academic with close ties to the Chinese government has warned war with North Korea was on the table.

The only good news I see here is that the situation may keep the U.S. mainland out of the fight.

But I have (theological) reason to believe we will not escape the damage. And the cyber attacks and commando operations (several) certain people have mentioned, may take us out, while the fight in the Pacific goes on.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby rickdun » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:57 am

Fox news reported early this morning that another carrier battle group left San Diego yesterday for the NK area.

They also reported that the U.S., South Korea and Japan are saying that the little fat kid is preparing for an attack with chemical and biological weapons.

I couldn't find anything on the net about the chemical or biological threats.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby dmwalsh568 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:10 am

rickdun wrote:Fox news reported early this morning that another carrier battle group left San Diego yesterday for the NK area.

They also reported that the U.S., South Korea and Japan are saying that the little fat kid is preparing for an attack with chemical and biological weapons.

I couldn't find anything on the net about the chemical or biological threats.


He killed his brother in law with a nerve agent (reported to be VX.) If they have that, then it's safe to assume they have plenty of other chemicals agents. Not sure if they have any bio weapons since I can't find any reputable sources....although anthrax was easy enough for someone to weaponize it here in the US a few years back. I guess it depends on who they might have managed to kidnap in the past 5 to 10 years.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby ReadyMom » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:34 am

North Korea suspected of building arsenal of biological weapons
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10 ... l-weapons/

23 October 2017 • 11:05pm Rob Crilly, New York

North Korea is suspected of building an arsenal of biological weapons (BW) designed to sow fear and panic in the Korean peninsula at the start of any armed conflict, according to a new report by Harvard researchers.

They detail 13 biological agents – including anthax, cholera and smallpox – as candidates for use.

The secretive regime could bypass the technical challenge of loading missiles with biological weapons by using “human vectors” posing as cleaning staff to spread deadly pathogens.

“It is theoretically possible that North Korean sleeper agents disguised as cleaning and disinfection personnel could disperse BW agents with backpack sprayers,” according to the report by the Belfer Centre for Science and International Affairs at the Harvard Kennedy School.

“Another possibility is that North Korean agents will introduce BW into water supplies for major metropolitan areas.”

North Korea has made no secret of its ambition to develop nuclear missiles capable of threatening the US mainland.

It is part of a strategy designed to protect Kim Jong-un’s family dynasty from being toppled by outside intervention.

Analysts believe North Korea is already capable of killing millions of people with a mix of short-range conventional and nuclear weapons in the event of a pre-emptive US strike.

At the same time, the report suggests Pyongyang may be developing weapons of germ warfare for use in the early stages of any conflict.

“North Korea is likely to use biological weapons before or at the beginning of a conflict to disrupt society and create panic, incapacitate societies, and/or cause a significant military diversion,” write the authors.

They also say analysis of images of Pyongyang’s Bio-technical Institute indicate it could produce “military-style batches of biological weapons” including anthrax.

“The most recent statement by the South Korean Defence Ministry is that North Korea has 13 types of biological weapons which it can weaponise within ten days,” it continues.

“And anthrax and smallpox are the likely agents it would deploy.”

The report is based on open source reporting and interviews with experts but the authors acknowledge that the nature of biological weapons – kept behind closed doors compared to nuclear weapons that require massive underground test sites and produce seismic results - makes it difficult to confirm details.

“Moreover, equipment used for BW production are often dual-use for agriculture, making external monitoring and verification virtually impossible.”

The report argues that the absence of evidence has led to a low threat perception and the US should do more to prepare for the possibility of a biological attack.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby ReadyMom » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:39 am

'I fear US is planning pre-emptive strike': South Korea's top war 'prepper' more worried about Trump than Kim
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10 ... r-prepper/

24 October 2017 • 12:54pm Nicola Smith Jinna Park, Seoul

For years, Woo Seung-yep was a lone voice in the wilderness, warning fellow South Koreans to prepare for impending doom. But as tensions with North Korea rapidly escalate, he is no longer mocked.

Mr Woo, 44, has become the face of the South’s war preppers, a growing band of urban-disaster specialists who keep survival bags laden with essentials that they can grab at a moment’s notice to one of the country’s many nuclear fallout shelters.

In recent months he has seen a surge in interest in his online forum, Survival 21, founded in 2010 to discuss how to stay alive during war, disaster or nuclear holocaust.

Close to 20,000, among them teenagers, old people, business executives, professors and students, have now signed up.

“Many members profess their worries,” the former office worker told The Telegraph in an interview. “The main question today is ‘will a war break out in Korea? And if so, when would that be?’”

Mr Woo, who has advised on a government awareness manual, tells his followers to keep a survival pack stocked at all times and to know where to run to if conflict breaks out.

His own emergency supplies include water, freeze-dried food, a torch, radio, hat, raincoat, medical kit and warm blanket.

While there is growing interest in private bunkers like the $19,000 US-made BombNado shelter currently popular in Japan, Mr Woo believes a simple underground garage or cellar is the safest haven under fire.

“If you live in an apartment building, your underground garage would be safer than running to the closest subway station,” he said. “Going outside to look for a bunker could be more dangerous.”

Mr Woo admits he still faces accusations of scaremongering. Prepping has traditionally held a negative stigma in a country used to living with a nuclear bomb threat on its doorstep.

Weapons of mass destruction aside, the unleashing of North Korea’s build-up of artillery along the border could, in the worst-case scenario, kill over 100,000 in the greater Seoul area in the first 48 hours of battle.

But the constant barrage of war-mongering rhetoric between Pyongyang and US President Donald Trump, is beginning to rattle even South Korea’s sanguine public.


Woo Seung-yep’s personal survival tips for war with North Korea

  • Have a fully stocked survival kit. Store long-term supplies of water and freeze-dried food, and make sure you have essentials like medical equipment, a torch, radio, hat, raincoat, warm blanket.
  • Know the nearest shelter to your home. If you live in an apartment building then your underground garage is likely safer than running outside to the nearest subway station.
  • Be aware of your surroundings. Seoul has over 3,200 designated underground shelters, including subway stations. Many, however, do not have food, water and medical supplies or gas masks.
  • If an air-raid siren sounds, call contacts who live close to the demilitarised zone (DMZ) on border with North Korea to get more information about what is happening.
  • Take responsibility for yourself and your family. Change your mindset. Rather than just doing a weekly shop for groceries, think ahead to what you might need in an emergency.
  • Read up and study what to do during disaster or war scenario, learning tips like how to produce emergency fuel.


North Korea’s threats in August to fire ballistic missiles towards the US territory of Guam after Mr Trump warned of “fire and fury” against Pyongyang prompted a rush on ready-to-eat meals and the sale of mini gold bars in the South.

Even so, Mr Woo believes South Korea is woefully unprepared for war. Public awareness about the locations of Seoul’s more than 3,200 designated bomb shelters is limited, and few shelters have long-term food supplies, water or gas masks.

“Most families in Korea are used to going shopping once a week and only buy a week’s stock,” he said.

“The majority of the population have not suffered a major disaster that affected their lives so powerfully as to make them feel the urgency. War is somebody else’s story,” he said.

Mr Woo’s own sense of danger stems from his military service when, in 1996, he was deployed to tackle North Korean infiltrators and his commanding officer was shot in the head.

He also professes to be disillusioned with the government’s handling of major disasters, including the Sewol ferry sinking in 2014 in which 304 people, mainly schoolchildren, died.

On the bright side, he does not believe war on the Korean peninsula will break out this year.

“But within the next year, I expect some kind of conflict, even if it’s just cross-fire,” he said. “I am more worried about the US, as I fear it may be planning a pre-emptive strike.

"The US cannot tolerate North Korea’s nuclear capability, and seems to be laying the ground to justify an attack.”
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby ReadyMom » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:41 am

Second US aircraft carrier enters western Pacific amid North Korea tensions
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/se ... sions.html

A second U.S. Navy aircraft carrier strike group entered the western Pacific, the Navy's 7th fleet announced Tuesday, amid an increasing war of words between the United States and North Korea.

USS Theodore Roosevelt – the “Big Stick” – left its San Diego home port earlier this month on a scheduled deployment to the West Pacific and Persian Gulf. It will now join the USS Ronald Reagan strike group off the Korean Peninsula.

The carrier is expected to make its way to the Persian Gulf to relieve the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz.

"Entering 7th Fleet is an exciting opportunity to integrate with other U.S. Navy units in the [area of operations], as well as operate with our partners and allies in the region," said Rear Adm. Steve Koehler in a statement. "We look forward to continued partnerships that lead to mutual security and common views about operating at sea.”

It is rare to have two U.S. Navy aircraft carriers stationed in the region.

The last time it happened was back in June when the Carl Vinson and Reagan strike groups were together for a few days in the Peninsula for training purposes – but it marked the first time since the 1990s that two U.S. carriers were near the Korean Peninsula.

"USS Theodore Roosevelt is prepared to carry out the full spectrum of possible missions, from humanitarian relief to combat operations," Capt. Carlos Sardiello, Theodore Roosevelt's commanding officer, said in a statement. "When a carrier leaves on deployment, we have to be ready for anything."

The deployment comes as the U.S., Japan and South Korean maritime forces are conducting a trilateral exercise aimed at improving ballistic missile defenses.

"The exercise will employ tactical data link systems to exchange track data among all the participating ships," the Navy said.

On Monday, Japan's defense minister asserted North Korea's nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities have grown to an "unprecedented, critical and imminent" level, requiring "different responses" to the threat.

The minister, Itsunori Onodera, said the rising threat compels his country to endorse the U.S. view that "all options" must be considered, which President Trump says includes possible military action. Japan was alarmed by North Korea twice launching ballistic missiles over Japanese territory, in August and in September.

Onodera's comments, made through an interpreter, came at the outset of a so-called trilateral meeting in the Philippines with U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and South Korea's defense minister, Song Young-moo.

"The country has steadfastly improved it nuclear and missiles capability," Onodera said. He added: "The threat posed by North Korea has grown to the unprecedented, critical and imminent level."

"Therefore, we have to take calibrated and different responses to meet that level of threat," he said, without elaborating on what "different" responses Japan favors.

Mattis was somewhat more reserved in his remarks than Onodera, although he did slam Pyongyang for defying U.N. Security Council resolutions against its nuclear and ballistic missile programs.

"North Korea's provocations threaten regional and global security," he said.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #7 (Oct 2017)

Postby PatrioticStabilist » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:44 am

Another big exercise getting ready to start with people coming from all over the world
in S Korea.

The one just finished was primarily navy.
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