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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby Cast Iron » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:40 pm

America Preparing "Bloody Nose" Military Attack On North Korea: Telegraph

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-2 ... -telegraph
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby John Galt 1 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:35 pm

But why wait for the guy to learn how to swing that cast iron pan?

I feel for the people in Seoul but they built within artillery range of a country they are at war with and.... we can't be the world's policeman.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby Illini Warrior » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:27 pm

Cast Iron wrote:America Preparing "Bloody Nose" Military Attack On North Korea: Telegraph

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-2 ... -telegraph



there's some ominous warnings - from some well connected posters - to go along with that Zero Hedge article ... highly doubt anything boils over during Christmas - but the beginning of 2018 has some dark clouds ....
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby ReadyMom » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:22 pm

US commandos train to capture North Korean nukes
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/20/us ... nukes.html

U.S. military forces reportedly trained earlier this month for a mission that would put them on North Korean soil, with the objective of “infiltrating" and "removing weapons of mass destruction," according to foreign military sources.

Revealing photos of a recent exercise, dubbed Warrior Strike IX, show a U.S. military unit known as "The Black Jack Brigade" training alongside their South Korean counterparts at Camp Stanley, in Korea. The pictures were featured in a post on the unit's Facebook page.

The images show soldiers training with night-vision equipment, armored vehicles and full-face protective gear, including gas masks. Descriptions of the event suggest soldiers practiced for eventualities such as transporting injured comrades and capturing combatants.

According to South Korea's Yonhap news agency, which quoted anonymous military sources, the combined exercise was designed to simulate "infiltrating North Korea and removing weapons of mass destruction in case of conflict." An Army spokesperson stationed in South Korea declined to comment.


"We're either going to have to kind of play it using military force, or accept that North Korea will be the nuclear arms sale center of the world - to Iran, to terrorist groups, to other third-world countries that have nuclear aspirations."
- John Bolton, former US ambassador to the United Nations


Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has suggested repeatedly that one of his main goals in Korea was to avoid sending U.S. forces into North Korean territory. But he also seemed to concede last week that is a scenario that might need to be addressed.

On Dec. 13, State Department Spokesperson Heather Nauert reiterated to reporters what Tillerson has described as the four things he won’t do when it comes to North Korea – a list he calls the “four no’s.”

"We are not seeking the collapse of the North Korean regime. We are not seeking regime change. We are not seeking the accelerated reunification of the Korean Peninsula. And we are not seeking an excuse to send our military north of the [border with South Korea]," according to Nauert.

She was responding to a question concerning remarks Tillerson had made a day earlier. Speaking to an audience at the 2017 Atlantic Council-Korea Foundation Forum on Dec. 12, Tillerson was asked about concerns China could experience a mass influx of refugees in the event of a regime collapse in Pyongyang.

While acknowledging those concerns, Tillerson noted refugees wouldn't be the most pressing problem.

"The most important thing to us would be securing those nuclear weapons they’ve already developed and ensuring that they – that nothing falls into the hands of people we would not want to have it.” He added the Chinese have apparently been privy to some of the planning that's been done for this eventuality, which includes the crossing of the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ), otherwise known as the 38th Parallel.

"We have had conversations that if something happened and we had to go across a line, we have given the Chinese assurances we would go back and retreat back to the south of the 38th Parallel when whatever the conditions that caused that to happen," Tillerson said.

In rare remarks before the U.N. Security Council on Dec. 15, North Korea's ambassador suggested his nation's pursuit of nuclear weapons is a direct response to "nuclear blackmail" on behalf of the United States.

John Bolton, a former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. and a Fox News contributor, dismissed the North Korean speech as "propaganda.” He added one of the only solutions he sees when it comes to North Korea's nuclear arsenal is to convince China to support a regime change in Pyongyang.

If that solution doesn't pan out, however, Bolton suggested the U.S. could soon be forced to make a difficult decision.

"We're either going to have to kind of play it using military force, or accept that North Korea will be the nuclear arms sale center of the world - to Iran, to terrorist groups, to other third-world countries that have nuclear aspirations,” Bolton said. “That is not a future I look forward to," he added.

The notion of "regime change" is a frequent topic of conversation. It can mean everything from putting pressure on allies to support a transition of power to actually removing political leaders by force - sometimes referred to as a political "decapitation."

As Fox News reported over the summer, a South Korean lawmaker suggested the country's intelligence agency had determined North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is so terrified of being targeted that he travels incognito, and is now "obsessed with collecting information about the 'decapitation operation' through his intelligence agencies."

According to that South Korean lawmaker, Kim is so frightened that he now disguises his movements, travels primarily at dawn, and in the cars of his henchmen. Public appearances and jaunts in his prized Mercedes Benz 600 have been curtailed.

North Korea’s U.N. representative referenced the “beheading operation” in a sternly worded, 2016 letter to the Security Council, suggesting the joint military operations regularly conducted by the U.S. and South Korea “constitute a grave threat to [North Korea], as well as international peace and security.”

By January of this year, there were reports South Korea was speeding up the creation of a specialized unit designed for this mission, initially slated to be ready by 2019.

During this year's Foal Eagle and Key Resolve exercises with South Korea, one of the largest annual military exercises in the world, members of U.S. Navy SEAL teams reportedly participated in decapitation drills with South Korean counterparts for the first time.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby Illini Warrior » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:09 am

I was mildly surprised that Japan didn't send over a few of their teams of Special Forces to participate - they could be going into NK as well - they could use the coordination practice ....
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby dmwalsh568 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:53 am

Cast Iron wrote:America Preparing "Bloody Nose" Military Attack On North Korea: Telegraph

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-2 ... -telegraph


I just hope the State Department is working overtime to convince the Chinese to sit this out, otherwise things will go downhill quickly. It's one thing to go against a piddling little country even if they do have a few nukes. But China is a different kettle of fish.... :eek:
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby Illini Warrior » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:38 am

dmwalsh568 wrote:
Cast Iron wrote:America Preparing "Bloody Nose" Military Attack On North Korea: Telegraph

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-2 ... -telegraph


I just hope the State Department is working overtime to convince the Chinese to sit this out, otherwise things will go downhill quickly. It's one thing to go against a piddling little country even if they do have a few nukes. But China is a different kettle of fish.... :eek:



the only thing both China and Russia concern is NK being occupied and the US moving those THAAD batteries right up to their border ....
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby TRex2 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:53 pm

As Fox News reported over the summer, a South Korean lawmaker suggested the country's intelligence agency had determined North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is so terrified of being targeted that he travels incognito, and is now "obsessed with collecting information about the 'decapitation operation' through his intelligence agencies."

According to that South Korean lawmaker, Kim is so frightened that he now disguises his movements, travels primarily at dawn, and in the cars of his henchmen. Public appearances and jaunts in his prized Mercedes Benz 600 have been curtailed.
Someone should send him a letter that says:
Don't try to run away,
you will just die tired.
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North Korea’s U.N. representative referenced the “beheading operation” in a sternly worded, 2016 letter to the Security Council, suggesting the joint military operations regularly conducted by the U.S. and South Korea “constitute a grave threat to [North Korea], as well as international peace and security.”

By January of this year, there were reports South Korea was speeding up the creation of a specialized unit designed for this mission, initially slated to be ready by 2019.

During this year's Foal Eagle and Key Resolve exercises with South Korea, one of the largest annual military exercises in the world, members of U.S. Navy SEAL teams reportedly participated in decapitation drills with South Korean counterparts for the first time.

If they are not going to be ready until 2019,
they really aren't a player in most of our plans, here on APN.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby TRex2 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:54 pm

As Fox News reported over the summer, a South Korean lawmaker suggested the country's intelligence agency had determined North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is so terrified of being targeted that he travels incognito, and is now "obsessed with collecting information about the 'decapitation operation' through his intelligence agencies."

According to that South Korean lawmaker, Kim is so frightened that he now disguises his movements, travels primarily at dawn, and in the cars of his henchmen. Public appearances and jaunts in his prized Mercedes Benz 600 have been curtailed.
Someone should send him a letter that says:
Don't try to run away,
you will just die tired.
:rofl:

North Korea’s U.N. representative referenced the “beheading operation” in a sternly worded, 2016 letter to the Security Council, suggesting the joint military operations regularly conducted by the U.S. and South Korea “constitute a grave threat to [North Korea], as well as international peace and security.”

By January of this year, there were reports South Korea was speeding up the creation of a specialized unit designed for this mission, initially slated to be ready by 2019.

During this year's Foal Eagle and Key Resolve exercises with South Korea, one of the largest annual military exercises in the world, members of U.S. Navy SEAL teams reportedly participated in decapitation drills with South Korean counterparts for the first time.

If they are not going to be ready until 2019,
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby rickdun » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:19 pm

Is NK going to launch an ICBM loaded with anthrax. The last NK soldier that defected to SK had anthrax vaccine in his system. Also, NK has over 500 or 5000 (can't remember what FOX news said this morning) tons of chemicals that can be launched. Here's an article about and ICBM loaded with an anthrax warhead that has people worried:


http://www.businessinsider.com/north-ko ... m=referral
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby Illini Warrior » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:44 pm

rickdun wrote:Is NK going to launch an ICBM loaded with anthrax. The last NK soldier that defected to SK had anthrax vaccine in his system. Also, NK has over 500 or 5000 (can't remember what FOX news said this morning) tons of chemicals that can be launched. Here's an article about and ICBM loaded with an anthrax warhead that has people worried:


http://www.businessinsider.com/north-ko ... m=referral



the gas and bio weapons are mostly in artillery shells - smart enough to know their air force will be a suicide run if they even manage to get airborne ... NK got alot out of the former Bloc countries as they fell - wouldn't doubt that their bio weapon industry got a big boost ....
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby TRex2 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:40 pm

TRex2 wrote:...
The only thing I have seen on LFM is that ICBM he launched, and a lot of speculative analysis about it. There are, of course rumors about the 17th (anniversary of his father's death) and that theory that he might launch while there was a U.N. guy in country.
Well, we know now, that he didn't launch anything while that UN guy was in country.

His nuclear testing is out of commission for a little while,
and he is building that Nuclear Submarine, so I still expect
the next 12 months to be relatively quiet/safe.

I need to amend my analysis. The "Nuclear" submarine he is supposedly building isn't really a nuclear submarine. While it can fire a nuclear tipped missile, its propulsion is diesel. It can't reach the U.S. So, I am dropping it from my timeline analysis.

I still think we have months to go, as he still needs to test another ICBM and another warhead.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby John Galt 1 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:11 am

Or is he satisfied with the technology he's got and is spending this time building missiles and mounting nukes on them. He's got to know that one more test will probably start the war.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby TRex2 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:40 am

John Galt 1 wrote:Or is he satisfied with the technology he's got and is spending this time building missiles and mounting nukes on them. He's got to know that one more test will probably start the war.

I don't think so. But I will admit it is possible.
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Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #8 (NOV & DEC 2017)

Postby John Galt 1 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:30 pm

While I'm sure he'd like more testing with his dwindling resources from the sanctions which are at least half way being enforced I suspect that he's settling for the technology he's got and building fast.
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